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Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-20T10:50:11+02:00

noobymcnoobcake wrote:
Stin wrote:Thats not really a fair comparison since the shields hitpoints regen MUCH faster than unit hitpoints.

Maybe the Fatboy shield could be tweaked accordingly.
Either make it personal shield generator with no bubble (IMO this takes it away from the UEF faction ethos), or make the cooldown of the shield recharge faster, or give it a few more hitpoints. I think this area offers the best solution.

EDIT: Or....If you can, make tactical missiles do proportionately LESS damage to shields than they do to the unit.
Therefore TML's do less damage to a shielded Fatboy and regular damage to an unshielded Fatboy or other EXP.

1) Fatboy shield is balanced fine
2) that would unbalance a ton of other units and MMls are already weak enough as they are. this idea is extremley stupid and not at all thought out

You're right. It wasnt thought out at all. Dont worry, I'm not tied to any of those ideas particularly. I happen to think the Fatboy is really good as it is.
However I just wanted to steer the discussion down another route to see where it leads. It happens to be a dead-end. Nevermind.

Statistics: Posted by Stin — 20 Apr 2012, 10:50

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-19T18:06:43+02:00

Stin wrote:
Thats not really a fair comparison since the shields hitpoints regen MUCH faster than unit hitpoints.

Maybe the Fatboy shield could be tweaked accordingly.
Either make it personal shield generator with no bubble (IMO this takes it away from the UEF faction ethos), or make the cooldown of the shield recharge faster, or give it a few more hitpoints. I think this area offers the best solution.

EDIT: Or....If you can, make tactical missiles do proportionately LESS damage to shields than they do to the unit.
Therefore TML's do less damage to a shielded Fatboy and regular damage to an unshielded Fatboy or other EXP.

1) Fatboy shield is balanced fine
2) that would unbalance a ton of other units and MMls are already weak enough as they are. this idea is extremley stupid and not at all thought out

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 19 Apr 2012, 18:06

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-19T17:02:20+02:00

Thats not really a fair comparison since the shields hitpoints regen MUCH faster than unit hitpoints.

Maybe the Fatboy shield could be tweaked accordingly.
Either make it personal shield generator with no bubble (IMO this takes it away from the UEF faction ethos), or make the cooldown of the shield recharge faster, or give it a few more hitpoints. I think this area offers the best solution.

EDIT: Or....If you can, make tactical missiles do proportionately LESS damage to shields than they do to the unit.
Therefore TML's do less damage to a shielded Fatboy and regular damage to an unshielded Fatboy or other EXP.

Statistics: Posted by Stin — 19 Apr 2012, 17:02

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-19T15:55:44+02:00

uberge3k wrote:
TMD is an interesting idea, but why shouldn't the other exps have TMD defense too?

Faction Diversity.

uberge3k wrote:
It's not much more difficult to hit a moving ML, GC or megalith with TMLs compared to a Fatboy.

ML Speed: 2.5, GC Speed: 2.5, Fatty Speed: 1.75

Hitboxes:

Statistics: Posted by Karottenrambo — 19 Apr 2012, 15:55

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-19T13:45:36+02:00

uberge3k wrote:
Stin wrote:I think overall that perhaps you should consider changing the way you use the Fatboy rather than try to change the fatboy to suit the way you want to use it.

Precisely. The Fatboy is for long range shelling of targets; it is not a direct fire unit like an ML or a GC, and definitely shouldn't be used as such.

TMD is an interesting idea, but why shouldn't the other exps have TMD defense too? It's not much more difficult to hit a moving ML, GC or megalith with TMLs compared to a Fatboy. IMO, it's good that they have this weakness - if you have the skill to manually target an exp that's in motion, and/or the attacking player moves in a straight line without micro and without first taking out the defenses that could kill it, being able to damage or even kill the exp is a fine outcome.

I agree with you, I saw some other experimentals killed by tac missiles as well. But, honestly, due to the huge hitbox of the Fatboy, the problem is that even if you spot the missiles flying towards the Fatboy, you have not much time to move it away entirely, and the best you can hope for is that only the shield wil be downed. It's really easier to snipe a Fatboy just because of its design, and that's why a couple TMD could help it to be less vulnerable (it would still be possible to snbipe it, but you would require more missiles) to such threats.

But frankly, Novax needs love first.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 19 Apr 2012, 13:45

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-19T13:31:00+02:00

Stin wrote:
I think overall that perhaps you should consider changing the way you use the Fatboy rather than try to change the fatboy to suit the way you want to use it.

Precisely. The Fatboy is for long range shelling of targets; it is not a direct fire unit like an ML or a GC, and definitely shouldn't be used as such.

TMD is an interesting idea, but why shouldn't the other exps have TMD defense too? It's not much more difficult to hit a moving ML, GC or megalith with TMLs compared to a Fatboy. IMO, it's good that they have this weakness - if you have the skill to manually target an exp that's in motion, and/or the attacking player moves in a straight line without micro and without first taking out the defenses that could kill it, being able to damage or even kill the exp is a fine outcome.

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 19 Apr 2012, 13:31

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-19T12:50:47+02:00

I just dont think the fatboy should be used to assult a main base where its likely that it will encounter TML.
A few T3 transport drops full of percies is way better IMO.

Fatboys are quite fast. IIRC they can outrange and out run a Monkeylord.

I think overall that perhaps you should consider changing the way you use the Fatboy rather than try to change the fatboy to suit the way you want to use it.

Statistics: Posted by Stin — 19 Apr 2012, 12:50

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-18T15:17:01+02:00

yeah adding it to the sparky could make it it op although not if you moved it to T3. But i cant think of any reasons for not adding it to Fatboy.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 18 Apr 2012, 15:17

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-18T11:55:57+02:00

I would advice against a TMD for the sparky. A mobile TMD at the T2 level for a price lower than the static TMD? Sure, you could lower the range and the rate of fire, but the sparky has got other uses too. And can't the sparky already build TMD?

If you're going to add it, I'd say add it to the Titan (currently the weakest Siege assault bot). Or otherwise: definitely move the sparky to T3.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 18 Apr 2012, 11:55

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-18T08:04:05+02:00

SJAndrew wrote:
I don't understand what you're saying Jace....do you mean TMLs?
Even with 2 buzzkills on the top of it, the fatty will still get killed unless you keep it moving. I think adding TMD is cool, but won't change a heck of a lot. I would still escort with parashileds and flak.

I meant TML.
And: whats the point of keeping it moving if it still gets hit? Wasn't it the point that you can hit a moving Fatty with TML if you have just the slightest bit of Aim`?

FunkOff wrote:
the better idea would be to give uef some kind of mobile TMD, like on the sparky.

Thats a good one! But isnt it too powerful? On the other hand Cybran T3Bots have TMD too. But the Sparky is T2. Maybe moving him up to T3 if he gets worthwhile TMD? Or giving TMD to a T3 Unit?

Statistics: Posted by Jace — 18 Apr 2012, 08:04

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-18T04:01:35+02:00

FunkOff wrote:
the better idea would be to give uef some kind of mobile TMD, like on the sparky.

a good idea.

fatboy tmd is also a good idea

Statistics: Posted by TheStrategist — 18 Apr 2012, 04:01

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-18T01:04:25+02:00

the better idea would be to give uef some kind of mobile TMD, like on the sparky.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 18 Apr 2012, 01:04

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-18T00:46:57+02:00

I don't understand what you're saying Jace....do you mean TMLs?

In most games, there are 0 TMDs defending a fatty and many shooting at it (potentially).

Even with 2 buzzkills on the top of it, the fatty will still get killed unless you keep it moving. I think adding TMD is cool, but won't change a heck of a lot. I would still escort with parashileds and flak.

Statistics: Posted by SJAndrew — 18 Apr 2012, 00:46

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-17T23:53:48+02:00

ho would be nice, but wont make much difference in most games, cause there are more than two tmds against most fattys

Statistics: Posted by Jace — 17 Apr 2012, 23:53

Re: Give fatboy TMD?

2012-04-17T17:04:13+02:00

will find good one

EDIT: got one

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 17 Apr 2012, 17:04