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Re: jamming

2012-05-24T13:21:32+02:00

That I meant was cybran was first choice for t2 navy, and then UEF. The AA DPS of the cruisers goes sera, then aeon, then uef and cybran close together. Also seraphim cant kill t2 subs cost effectivley with t2 navy of thier own. That puts them at a massive disadvantage until they can get those t3 subs out.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 24 May 2012, 13:21

Re: jamming

2012-05-24T06:54:57+02:00

dstojkov wrote:
like i said you seems not have play aeon on navy map. want to see how long you will stand against steahlt navy in front of your base seeing your navy lost because even with shield you they get owned ...

I see challenge here. Stealth , I assume cyb.
Try me, aeon versus cybran ?

I mean 50 or so shields on the water, creating a huge DPS sponge that regenerate before they can be killed. See some setons replays for footage of this.

I wish i kept that epic BS game of me versus Godfather aeon versus aeon. I stopped counting the shields when it was 75-100 shields for each .
Maybe TA still has this one, or the one of Dim versus Lappen, aeon versus aeon too I think.

Personally I like cybran because of ACU torpedos and reclaim ability, then UEF for t2 navy fights. But If its gonna go T3 then UEF without a doubt. Sera have good cruiser but every other navy unit exept the T3 sub sucks in comparison to the others.

I feel a bit confused. You say you are an experienced navy player and here you say :

- "uef is good for t2 navy fights", hum...if you can hide for a while and get enough shields, yeah maybe. But if t3 tier is out of the picture and the ONLY concern is winning navy, I would go any other faction than uef. stuck at t2 only. The only reasons I would go uef (still in the case where t3 tier is excluded and therefore u're stuck with t2 for some reason) is to get the cruisers to erase bases, but that's it.

- "anything else than cruiser and the t3 sub is not so good in sera" , hum.. the sera destro is the best one overall now. Properly used, any other destro will get owned by the sera destro. The cruiser is probably the best also. It has lower dps but its AA hurts the air just too well.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 24 May 2012, 06:54

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T18:48:36+02:00

I will always take the navy positions on the map and am quite an experienced navy player. first step to navy is.... DONT LOSE IT. If they are shelling your base and you aint got any navy then it is over, no matter how good your shield or TMD is.

And look at UEF frigate. Thats got jamming but it really aint very useful. single interceptor fixes this. Stealth navy can be hard to deal with but it is not impossible. What you gotta do is spam a ton of frigates, send them at them. As Frigates are faster than destroyers they will focus fire them and frigates have an insane DPS/cost ratio compared to all other navy units. When they are busy with frigates you can use your destroyers to snipe the enemy cruisers/destroyers. After you held them off for a while you can start rolling the shields out. I dont think you quite have the meaning of shield spam either. I mean 50 or so shields on the water, creating a huge DPS sponge that regenerate before they can be killed. See some setons replays for footage of this.

Personally I like cybran because of ACU torpedos and reclaim ability, then UEF for t2 navy fights. But If its gonna go T3 then UEF without a doubt. Sera have good cruiser but every other navy unit exept the T3 sub sucks in comparison to the others. Aeon have nice navy too but not in every situation. Shield spam in late game can make them all but invincible to everything but UEF navy.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 23 May 2012, 18:48

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T18:37:19+02:00

like i said you seems not have play aeon on navy map. want to see how long you will stand against steahlt navy in front of your base seeing your navy lost because even with shield you they get owned ... you navy factory get owned ... and none the less your main base destroyed not because you don't have shield nor tmd because actually it do not work in tea gamre i have to ask my teamate to get uef or sera ot cybryan ng for building tmd. Just want to make the topic clear just want a balance game.
On navy map i mean with that not four corner only few player want to play aeon.

i don't really understood what you wanted to say with uef go oblivion without t2 navy shield .... how does cybryan and sera then ?
and belive me with a true jammng no one of your ship will be hurt.

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 23 May 2012, 18:37

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T18:15:30+02:00

i will restate what i said - Aeon TMD is the best TMD. You got to stagger them so they don't all fire at once. Aeon units have very specific roles. The cruiser is anti air only with small anti ship cannon. They hve the missile ship for shore bombardment and believe me, they are worse than cruisers. The aeon destroyer is also very good anti land due to its pinpoint accuracy and long range. They don't need TML on cruiser for these two reasons.

It goes
shields>stealth>jamming
Taking away the UEFs shields is a terrible idea. Look at cybran now and you will see why. It will be the same - but without stealth. Shields are a vital part of game play and to remove them from the UEF would just nerf them into oblivion.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 23 May 2012, 18:15

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T15:24:57+02:00

hi noobymcnoobcake,

after I had read your post i can only say that you never try aeon on navy map. aeon TMD are the best against TML ... BUT the worst one against MML ( which include navy cruiser ) with aeon cruiser you ca not attack base like other faction.
May be i didn't understood that you spook about t2 uef navy shield in this case all what you say it's true. In term of fact this navy mobile shield is the best one in the whole game. i don't really understand the need for shield for uef ..... they have a real decent rate of fre.

to vome back to the real topic .. What do you think about my first post : each faction is speciality ?

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 23 May 2012, 15:24

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T14:16:41+02:00

We do understand you and we 100% disagree. No shields cannot attack but what they can do is prevent DPS dropoff on you own army giving you an overall higher average DPS and overall higher average HP. DPS for navy is very expenseive so shields are even MORE effective. Aeon TMD is the best TMD there is just put it at the edge of the shield. Aeon cruiser has the most effective anti air DPS and is actualy quite good because it can be combined with shields to prevent snipes. We do complain about the bulwark as nothing can beat lategame UEF navy cost effectively because of bulwaks + IMBA battleship.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 23 May 2012, 14:16

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T11:51:03+02:00

hi guys,

I saw you that you don't understand me.

first point
when i wrote nothing for seraphim don't thinki forgot them ... they have actually the strong t2 shield and t3 shield in the game
and actually now the best t2 pd (you can't miss at all like you can do it with aeon or uef with some micro) it's the most effective faction for attack and rush with huge hp in comparaison. The navy is extremelly strong especially in T3. even shield don't help.

second point
aeon t2 mobile shield are good to get some "extra life" but in no mean you can attack with it .... you invest eco in defense when your opponent invest in attack !!! no one win a game with defence ! all faction exept aeon can make huge damage with their cruiser on a main base. Aeon have a shitty cruiser .. no tml .
You can not counter cruiser when playing aeon. The only thing that you can do is to build tmd and shield. but even that don't help because the tmd against cruiser is total inefficiant period.
your only hope is to make you navy last ... and now the aeon shield is weaker than in 3599 instead to be improved !?! don't you forgot that navy T3 being cheaper make the aeon even weaker in comparaison ? And when we are about to speak about shielded navy ... you don't complain about the t2 uef navy shield ? how in the world ? they cost the same amount to run an cover such a area ?!!!! did you actually try to evaluate how much you need aeon shield to cover the same zone ?
it has been written that in late game shielded t2 navy make difference ..... you may be right but how much player did it to last until your "late game" with such a weak navy ? was it a 20 minute no rush ?

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 23 May 2012, 11:51

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T09:40:34+02:00

dstojkov wrote:
aoen a buffed t2 mobile shield( right now to weak for land and more true for navy )

I assume this is a joke, right ?

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 23 May 2012, 09:40

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T01:18:04+02:00

dstojkov wrote:
Each faction should have is specialty:
[...]
seraphim nothing

Hahaha nailed it
You lost me there

Statistics: Posted by theZJ — 23 May 2012, 01:18

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T01:19:41+02:00

dstojkov wrote:
Come on guys ....

the aeon navy get rapped even harder than before ... and now that the t3 navy is cheaper it's the smily of free win on the face of your opponent ...

Build more shields....no seriously, build more.

A single shield has 56 HP/s Regen and over 250 HP/sec rcharg. Navy Battles are probably the lowest DPS battle. Having cheap floating shields makes Aeon very strong in Navy battles, Especially in late game scenarios....

Statistics: Posted by Pavese — 23 May 2012, 01:17

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T01:00:28+02:00

Come on guys ....

the aeon navy get rapped even harder than before ... and now that the t3 navy is cheaper it's the smily of free win on the face of your opponent ...

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 23 May 2012, 01:00

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T00:14:04+02:00

uberge3k wrote:
dstojkov wrote:aoen a buffed t2 mobile shield( right now to weak for land and more true for navy )

One thing I just have to agree on with you uber

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 23 May 2012, 00:14

Re: jamming

2012-05-23T00:09:06+02:00

dstojkov wrote:
aoen a buffed t2 mobile shield( right now to weak for land and more true for navy )

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 23 May 2012, 00:09

Re: jamming

2012-05-22T16:10:56+02:00

Hi guys,

Each faction should have is specialty:
uef jamming(the true one)
cybryan stealth
aeon shield
seraphim nothing

that's mean uef no longer a t2 mobile shield and also no t2 navy shield overpowered now , aoen a buffed t2 mobile shield( right now to weak for land and more true for navy ), sera don't need a mobile shield t3 because navy overpovered now.

would be also good to insert some jamming generator on t2 level like t2 stealth fiels generator for all faction.

What do you thing of that idea ?

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 22 May 2012, 16:10