Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-25T22:00:05+02:00

I like this idea. Will make ffa+phantoms VERY intresting. I also like the max gate range idea for untethered teleport. I dont like the teleport to enemy gate idea as you could just constantly spam T1 land scouts to all there gates. I also think giving gates defences of there own is a bad idea. Why not give it a shield too, tac missile launcher and anti air. Its turning into SC2 here and I dont like that. I also think gates should be easily killed and as admarl zeech said something else to snipe.

How about it cost a 2 x units energy it cost to build to teleport it and 5% of its mass? will make teleporting expensive but usefull still. also like the idea of teleporting navy. Also how about not being able to teleport experementals?

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 25 Oct 2011, 22:00

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-25T18:17:38+02:00

FunkOff wrote:
Bhaal wrote:I would change the Quantum Gates to be the lategame buildpower.
Giving them the ability to build all non experimental units with a huge buildpower(nearly instantly) would fix the stupid lategame engineer spam and game slowdown and make them usefull again. I mean its a quantum gateway, it should be able to port units from your other home planets into the warzone.

Should be be able to build air and land units, or just land units?

Also, I kind of like this idea, but it would mean you can build T3 land (and possibly T3 air) units without the aid of a a tech 3 land/air factory... so you could tech your acu and use that to build gateways.

What if only tech 3 engineers could build it? Like ACU at tech 1 can't build storage, but tech 1 engineers can. Tech 3 engineers could build this gateway (meaning you have to have tech 3 land or air) but ACU at tech 3 can't.

Statistics: Posted by Hanuman — 25 Oct 2011, 18:17

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-25T17:54:55+02:00

Bhaal wrote:
I would change the Quantum Gates to be the lategame buildpower.
Giving them the ability to build all non experimental units with a huge buildpower(nearly instantly) would fix the stupid lategame engineer spam and game slowdown and make them usefull again. I mean its a quantum gateway, it should be able to port units from your other home planets into the warzone.

Should be be able to build air and land units, or just land units?

Also, I kind of like this idea, but it would mean you can build T3 land (and possibly T3 air) units without the aid of a a tech 3 land/air factory... so you could tech your acu and use that to build gateways.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 25 Oct 2011, 17:54

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-25T15:14:33+02:00

I would change the Quantum Gates to be the lategame buildpower.
Giving them the ability to build all non experimental units with a huge buildpower(nearly instantly) would fix the stupid lategame engineer spam and game slowdown and make them usefull again. I mean its a quantum gateway, it should be able to port units from your other home planets into the warzone.

Statistics: Posted by Bhaal — 25 Oct 2011, 15:14

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-09T18:20:54+02:00

-Third, the quantum gate beacon is, itself, vulnerable at only 10 hp. If it is destroyed, the sending gate is also destroyed.

That is maybe too much.

I didn't test the mod yet, but I guess that adding a beacon require (a lot of) energy ? The loss of energy at each failed attempt should be enough, no ?

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 09 Oct 2011, 18:20

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-09T17:35:25+02:00

It seems to me no one would be gating in tech 1 or 2 units (except maybe an engineer), but more likely gating in tech 3 bots/acu/scu. So balancing it as a tech 3 level "time of game" makes sense, no?

Statistics: Posted by Hanuman — 09 Oct 2011, 17:35

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-09T17:48:19+02:00

so my thoughts about the balance of the gates are at least! following:

1. you shouldnt be able to port anywhere. You should at least have a unit or building at the target location (not LOS due to aeon eye imbaness)

2. the porting to a location without a gate needs to be much more expensive compared to a port to a gate. especially the porting of t1 and t2 engies anywhere of the map in few seconds is too imba

3. i would double the gate cost for beginning. its too cheap now imo.

edit two more points to make it not imba:

4. you shouldnt be able to port near enemy units/buildings

5. the b(e)acon needs to be at least 30 seconds visible before the port happens to make the enemy have a chance to kill it in time.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 09 Oct 2011, 17:30

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-09T11:50:55+02:00

Kryo wrote:
If its not possible, at least make somehow selectable in a way or another, which units are teleported. For example my acu build the QG and was standing next to it, and was teleported, but I didnt want that

I'll see if I can't re-tool this aspect. But yes, I'm going to make another version to address that and a few other issues. What I will most likely do is make a ferry beacon show up either inside or near the quantum gate.... and only send units that are in the ferry que. But I'm not 100% certain that's possible or where it's handled, so I'm not 100% certain it can be done. But I think that's a more idea solution.

Also, about using gates as tunnels from generals (your "like carriers" example is exactly that), I want to keep gates working as close as possible to how they do in the campaigns.... one unit at a time.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 09 Oct 2011, 11:50

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-09T11:26:26+02:00

FunkOff wrote:
Here we are:
http://forgedalliance.obliteratingwave. ... /STfaf.zip

Now anybody can test the mod. Be sure to tell me, specifically, what you don't like about it.

Install instructions:
-Unzip to mods folder in My Documents\Gas Powered Games\Forged Alliance directory
-Activate using mod manager in-game

I tested it!

first of all, unzipping is not necessary, FA can read zip files.

regarding the teleport function:

The good thing is, it works

First a question: Did you test, if you play vs another opponent, if he builds a QG and gets the text message about setting the rally point, that you dont see it too ? i couldnt test it with another player so far. I remember, when I scripted this text, everybody could see it, not just the player who triggered it.

Then:
I would imagine a better way to do the teleport thing:

1. Make the QG like a carrier being able to take in units (just steal it from Aircraft carriers :p)
2. Make all QGs on the map connected so you load them in in one QG and can unload them from all other QGs on the map.
The Handling of this would be much easier I think, even if I dont know exactly if this is possible right now.

If its not possible, at least make somehow selectable in a way or another, which units are teleported. For example my acu build the QG and was standing next to it, and was teleported, but I didnt want that

For now, the effect on the QG is a little too big I think
What I noticed: My QG blew off when the connected QG was shot down. Is this on purpose?

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 09 Oct 2011, 11:26

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-09T00:26:08+02:00

Id like to make SCUs cheaper and build faster possibly. This would allow you to make SCU's and teleport them to corresponding locations and erect a new gate (to teleport your units in)

I think this is a much better idea than unteathered gating, as it requires teleporting into an empty area, doesnt introduce any entire new game mechanics (Destroyable beacon etc), and gives your oponent adequate time to respond.

It also gives SCUS and the gates a real purpose.

Statistics: Posted by CrazedChariot — 09 Oct 2011, 00:26

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-09T11:46:37+02:00

Here we are:
http://forgedalliance.obliteratingwave. ... /STfaf.zip

Now anybody can test the mod. Be sure to tell me, specifically, what you don't like about it.

Install instructions:
-Place .zip in mods folder in My Documents\Gas Powered Games\Forged Alliance directory
-Activate using mod manager in-game

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 08 Oct 2011, 17:22

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-08T13:07:31+02:00

I thinl with the teleport option you decrease the importance of scouting. You haven't seen the army coming in your ally base but you have a quantum ok i tele units your base is saved. Same way, why make a diversion to bring all air north during your transport go south to make a drop. With this option you remove a lot of concept of the game. I think the better option for quantum gate is to find a good job for the scu.

Statistics: Posted by Nesar — 08 Oct 2011, 13:07

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-07T23:08:09+02:00

I would only have it allowing you to port between gates, so you can easily reinforce a firebase, for example. I would not have it allowing you to tether port as I believe this would completely unbalance a game.
Even then, the between gate port allows you to bypass any kind of reinforcement blocking attack, which could also be gamebreaking. An interesting idea, but I would like to see it in practice.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 07 Oct 2011, 23:08

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-07T22:28:28+02:00

I can see this used on big maps like betrayal with a stealthbase on the island... result would be deadly. Nice idea as at the moment SCUS and quantum gates are not used. Seraphim should have cheaper teleport ability to balance there T3. It will add faction diversity.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 07 Oct 2011, 22:28

Re: Quantum Gates

2011-10-07T17:53:17+02:00

I know it wasn't a real new unit, hence the winky face. Making it a mod is the best thing to do.

Statistics: Posted by Legion Darrath — 07 Oct 2011, 17:53