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Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-18T10:02:32+02:00

Ctrl-B brings up all building units. You can select the UEF engineers from there. You'll select all of them so if you have two groups it's a problem. It works a lot better than having to double-click though.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 18 Mar 2016, 10:02

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-17T20:31:40+02:00

Mycen wrote:
It's been so long since I've tried this with Cybran I don't remember what happens. But with UEF, when I do exactly what you describe, they assist the shield for a little less than a second, then they stop. Unless I babysit them by constantly issuing an assist command they will not stay on the shield.

Hmmm... perhaps it's a bug? I will sandbox this later when I get home and post results.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 17 Mar 2016, 20:31

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-17T20:07:37+02:00

It's been so long since I've tried this with Cybran I don't remember what happens. But with UEF, when I do exactly what you describe, they assist the shield for a little less than a second, then they stop. Unless I babysit them by constantly issuing an assist command they will not stay on the shield.

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 17 Mar 2016, 20:07

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-17T17:36:29+02:00

Mycen wrote:
Morax wrote:
Gruffman wrote:Thanks!

What about UEF engineer stations. Will they automatically go help a hurt shield (as long as nothing else is needing repaired) ?

Yes, yes, and yes.

Mine never do this for me. What am I doing wrong?

With the cybran engineering stations you need to select the station itself and assist the shield.

With the UEF station, there is a little more work, where you need to select the drones themselves by double-clicking one, then assist the shield. It's kind of frustrating that the UEF station needs some extra micro-management, but you can do it.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 17 Mar 2016, 17:36

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-17T17:35:12+02:00

-Axiom- wrote:
T3 & T4 arty > shielding.

Shields will help you to an extent but you can't build enough shields fast enough to survive very long.
You are putting all your mass and a lot of build power into shields & assisting while your opponent is building more arty or experimentals.
This is a losing strategy.

When a Scathis appears it needs to be destroyed asap.

This isn't true at all... You can build enough shields to withstand it and get enough army to defeat it.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 17 Mar 2016, 17:35

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-17T15:37:54+02:00

Shield assist if you can afford to waste a lot of eco into it.

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 17 Mar 2016, 15:37

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-17T15:30:06+02:00

Nothing, uef and cybran engi stations dont assist depleted shields unless ordered to do so. They only auto repair damage.

Statistics: Posted by BenDover — 17 Mar 2016, 15:30

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-13T19:44:37+02:00

Morax wrote:
Gruffman wrote:Thanks!

What about UEF engineer stations. Will they automatically go help a hurt shield (as long as nothing else is needing repaired) ?

Yes, yes, and yes.

Mine never do this for me. What am I doing wrong?

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 13 Mar 2016, 19:44

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-11T19:08:55+02:00

T3 & T4 arty > shielding.

Shields will help you to an extent but you can't build enough shields fast enough to survive very long.
You are putting all your mass and a lot of build power into shields & assisting while your opponent is building more arty or experimentals.
This is a losing strategy.

When a Scathis appears it needs to be destroyed asap.

Statistics: Posted by -Axiom- — 11 Mar 2016, 19:08

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-11T01:50:08+02:00

A seraphim t3 shield with a 3x3 grid of third tier hives will hold of a scathis to infinity as long as you have some extra mass and power.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 11 Mar 2016, 01:50

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-10T21:33:44+02:00

assuming that repairing shields still drains the same resources/buildpower as building it:

scathis has 1579 dps, uef t3 shield has 15k hp for 3k mass, 4988 buildtime (1 hp per 0.2 mass, ~0.33 bt)
to repair at 1579 dps we'd need 1579*0.2mass/s (=315,8) and cover 1579*0.33bt/s (=521bt/s)
ok, those 521bt/s in t3 engies (30 buildpower/s) gives us 17.366, so we need more than 17 t3 engies working without stalling on the shield to keep it up

feel free to correct wrong assumptions or miscalculations
stats: http://www.faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/un ... 01,UEL0309

Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 10 Mar 2016, 21:33

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-10T20:57:55+02:00

Gruffman wrote:
Thanks!

What about UEF engineer stations. Will they automatically go help a hurt shield (as long as nothing else is needing repaired) ?

Yes, yes, and yes. At the 35+ minute mark in games I always make about 4-5 engineering stations to build supp comms, t3 air, or experimentals. A fully-upgraded engineering station for Cybran will dispense mass at a rate of 137 per tick, which is about the same for a T3 comm. If you select the engineering station and right-click a building such as a shield, TML, etc it will hasten the build/regen with ease.

As a side note, one should always ask for a UEF or Cybran engie if they are Aeon or Sera late game so they can use these tools. A good Aeon air player will do this as they are WAY better than t1 engie spam. At some point experimental wrecks will litter the field in lengthy games and in order to use that without waste you need that kind of build power.

A last option is to use an engineer-suite Support Commander which are the best builders in the game. They will dispense absurd amounts of energy and mass that will probably not be met in almost any game.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 10 Mar 2016, 20:57

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-10T20:53:27+02:00

Thanks!

What about UEF engineer stations. Will they automatically go help a hurt shield (as long as nothing else is needing repaired) ?

Statistics: Posted by Gruffman — 10 Mar 2016, 20:53

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-10T20:37:05+02:00

Spam mobile sheilds as well, ACU bubble sheild works REALLY well for this as well. Also spamming t1 scout planes over your base to hope that the shells intersect the scouts instead of the shields, and most importantly, build more sheilds

Statistics: Posted by theeggroll — 10 Mar 2016, 20:37

Re: Eating scathis

2016-03-10T20:33:33+02:00

Add more engineers. Don't know the exact number, but it is possible.

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 10 Mar 2016, 20:33