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Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-07-02T13:21:13+02:00

FtXCommando wrote:
You'll find a lot of people that say any game above 2v2 is a worthless RNG-fest.

Been getting annoyed with PubG lately as well, have we? ; )

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 02 Jul 2018, 13:21

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-07-01T20:54:09+02:00

You'll find a lot of people that say any game above 2v2 is a worthless RNG-fest.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 01 Jul 2018, 20:54

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-07-01T20:49:26+02:00

There is no solution when 98 percent of faf is just dumb. Even the self-proclaimed(lol) best player blackheart isn't a IM in chess and has like elo around 2k or smthg? And sweats for 5 dollars from a random tourney/bets.

What I am saying is that faf does not attract the best and being elitist in this game is hilariously retarded.

Statistics: Posted by Peanut — 01 Jul 2018, 20:49

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-07-01T20:19:07+02:00

There is actually a really easy solution to this whole issue, and that is to make the largest number of players in a game 8, more than 4v4 is total cancer, all the best games of FAF whether you like to admit it or not have less than 8 players (bar some 5v5's where people die early). As soon as you get higher than this it allows for a lot of random stuff to start happening.

Plus there are lots of aspects of the game and the meta game of the rating system which fall apart when there are more than 4 players on a team.
It is funny how everyone blindly accepted that increasing the number of players supported in a single game was a good move. It doesn't get implemented by developers looking to sell there games, to actually make money from them, so why is it in FAF. There is clearly a good reason why they do not do it.

If players were really looking for as many as possible v as many as possible they would be playing Zero - K, that is completely free and supports up to 16 v 16, someone could easily make a dual gap for that and have 16 v 16 on it.

As Morax says 2v2 and 3v3 is really where this game shines.

Statistics: Posted by Freedomfighter — 01 Jul 2018, 20:19

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-07-01T18:44:28+02:00

Wonder has devolved into a crappy experience just as much as gap...

Team games in general are just garbage. The real fun is in 1500+ 2v2 or 3v3 on many, many different maps...

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 01 Jul 2018, 18:44

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-07-01T18:27:26+02:00

yeah gday ol fev

Statistics: Posted by biass — 01 Jul 2018, 18:27

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-07-01T18:23:56+02:00

I noticed that most the people that complain about dual gap skill are usually weak players between 1100-1800 playing team games thinking they are more skilled because they can join a wonder lobby. I have played both and when it comes to top players on dual gap I know a real 1500+ gap player is just as good as the average 1500+team game player if not better.

It is not hard to make factories and play mantis simulator. Most pure team game players have zero clue about how to play navy, eco, air, or late game. Literally your prototypical team game player makes t1 spam into pd+gun, into t3 and exp. I see the biggest noobs on wonder, it is actually quite baffling that people take that map seriously at all. And wonder is like 5 chokepoints, if you want to play that map actually open then it needs to be 1v1 to retain any skill value and nothing more.

I only see good players either playing setons and some 1v1 nowadays. 1v1 has like a handful of top players; thomas hiatt, adjux(if he still plays), blodir, nexus, yudi, etc. And guess what most of those 1v1 players play setons. Generally, the skill base in faf, especially the depth of the 1v1 pool is weaker than any other rts I have ever seen because they target noobs instead of retaining skilled players.

Bennis was able to beat a top 1v1 player, nexus, and he doesn't even play 1v1 -- he is a pure setons player.

So the irony that complete shit players that I have played with are talking shit on other players at their same level is just hilarious. STFU LMAO

Statistics: Posted by Peanut — 01 Jul 2018, 18:23

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-06-30T23:23:13+02:00

bigcrap757 wrote:
I will host a 4v4 hilly plateau game and barely anyone will join while the dual gap lobby sucks up like 16 players, enough to fill two setons games. .

Are we starting to blame everything on the map now xD
It is a 12 player map. You might see 13 or even 14 players in one lobby, with that said, the game will not be launched with 13 players or more.

Statistics: Posted by ____ — 30 Jun 2018, 23:23

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-06-30T22:20:21+02:00

bigcrap757 wrote:
Geosearchef wrote:I think this community has gotten a huge problem with map elitism currently. I understand people that want more interesting/challenging games and don't like maps like dual gap as they get played extremly often. But this is a game and it's for having fun. So just let other people play what they want and stop telling them Dual Gap is a bad map. Actually it isn't. The purpose of FA's developement was selling a game for entertainment. And currently more people are enjoing/getting fun out of dual gap than most other maps. Take seton. (Last 3000 games: setons played 200 times, dual gap 110 times) If you account for more players and and longer game times the net fun gotten out of dual gap is greater than the one from setons. So yes, Setons is probably strategically more challenging but that doesn't make it the better map. The definition of good is subjective. Therefore if you want an objective view you can just take the average and that makes DualGap by definition of FA's purpose a better map than setons (and currently all others). (I know this may offend some people )

The problem I have with dual gap games is that they take away players from actually interesting maps. I will host a 4v4 hilly plateau game and barely anyone will join while the dual gap lobby sucks up like 16 players, enough to fill two setons games. I don't have anything against the people that enjoy it, I just find it irritating because it makes it harder for other people to play the maps they like.

It makes it harder for other people to play the maps they like, because other people play the maps they like, wich is dual gap .. wat ?

Statistics: Posted by Dreck — 30 Jun 2018, 22:20

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-07-02T07:02:40+02:00

Geosearchef wrote:
I think this community has gotten a huge problem with map elitism currently. I understand people that want more interesting/challenging games and don't like maps like dual gap as they get played extremly often. But this is a game and it's for having fun. So just let other people play what they want and stop telling them Dual Gap is a bad map. Actually it isn't. The purpose of FA's developement was selling a game for entertainment. And currently more people are enjoing/getting fun out of dual gap than most other maps. Take seton. (Last 3000 games: setons played 200 times, dual gap 110 times) If you account for more players and and longer game times the net fun gotten out of dual gap is greater than the one from setons. So yes, Setons is probably strategically more challenging but that doesn't make it the better map. The definition of good is subjective. Therefore if you want an objective view you can just take the average and that makes DualGap by definition of FA's purpose a better map than setons (and currently all others). (I know this may offend some people )

The problem I have with dual gap games is that they take away players from actually interesting maps. I will host a 4v4 hilly plateau game and barely anyone will join while the dual gap lobby sucks up like 12 players, which is a lot. I don't have anything against the people that enjoy it, I just find it irritating because it makes it harder for other people to play the maps they like.

Statistics: Posted by bigcrap757 — 30 Jun 2018, 22:06

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-06-30T13:09:32+02:00

It's up to you to create a version of the map for 1v1 play, but if you do it I will definitely at least give the map a look.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 30 Jun 2018, 13:09

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-06-30T13:07:23+02:00

They need the starting positions reworked so that they are odd vs even, like ftx just said.

Statistics: Posted by moonbearonmeth — 30 Jun 2018, 13:07

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-06-30T12:57:03+02:00

If there really are some memesters players who would like to see a 1v1 version of my Dual Gap rework, I could arrange for that. Though since I am not a ladder player I would need some advice on what to change.

Statistics: Posted by ____ — 30 Jun 2018, 12:57

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-06-30T12:41:40+02:00

For one, dual gap maps aren't even odd v even so they are objectively not capable of being added into ladder.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 30 Jun 2018, 12:41

Re: Leave my dude dual gap alone

2018-06-30T12:30:32+02:00

The experience will differ significantly based on which slots are left open (or closed with mex spawn enabled) and which are closed as with any other adaptive map.
If I would host a 1v1 on Dual Gap I would close every slot except the front slots and maybe reduce the amount of reclaim in the settings. Otherwise you will just have infinite game ender spam as Freedomfighter already mentioned. Certainly isn't going to be great either way, but it would still be interesting to see how that would play out.

Statistics: Posted by ____ — 30 Jun 2018, 12:30