Forged Alliance Forever

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:49:08+02:00

uberge3k wrote:
Kryo wrote:supcom fa economy is really not linear, it is exponential, but even then you cannot find a simple formula like mass(t) = m0*exp(n*t) with n as a constant. Too many influences go in. You would rather have an equation with hundreds of factors

Exactly this. Splitting hairs about the exact definition of "exponential" isn't productive.

it is the purpose of this thread.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 14 Aug 2012, 17:49

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:47:55+02:00

Ghoti wrote:
why exactly did you not send me a replay of you playing sentons air?

i was hoping to see more of Anaryls picture collection in the course of the debate.

Ghoti wrote:
-_V_- wrote:@ TA, Hotstats gives what you want , at least the same thing (maybe a bit less imprecise) than the graph that was posted

Awesome! That saves me some time and pointed me in the right direction. I'll just change it to display the rates rather than the totals.

noooooo, dont do it. get the data out of there. then we can use a real programming language to process it.
1) you can draw the statistics while the game is running (alt+tab)
2) you can use the data for other stuff too (remember playertrack?)

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 14 Aug 2012, 17:47

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:45:37+02:00

Kryo wrote:
supcom fa economy is really not linear, it is exponential, but even then you cannot find a simple formula like mass(t) = m0*exp(n*t) with n as a constant. Too many influences go in. You would rather have an equation with hundreds of factors

Exactly this. Splitting hairs about the exact definition of "exponential" isn't productive.

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 14 Aug 2012, 17:45

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:44:35+02:00

Second warning. Any more posts that are roughly equivalent to "nuh uh" "uh huh" "nuh uh" will result in a thread lock.

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 14 Aug 2012, 17:44

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:36:49+02:00

SeraphimLeftNut wrote:
Hotstats and raw data that you can take out of the game are two very different things. Having someone work up your data for you is like coming home from a long vacation to find that your wife is pregnant.

woh woh woh woh wait.

what?

This isn't what you wanted?

Statistics: Posted by Ghoti — 14 Aug 2012, 17:36

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:50:10+02:00

Isn't it amazing how this conversation went from "here's some more subtle points about the economy worth looking into" to "The economy is exponential" -> "no it isn't" -> "yes it is" -> "no it isn't" -> "it obviously is why is this being discussed?"

root

why exactly did you not send me a replay of you playing sentons air? Send me a replay of sentons air root!

-_V_- wrote:
@ TA, Hotstats gives what you want , at least the same thing (maybe a bit less imprecise) than the graph that was posted

Awesome! That saves me some time and pointed me in the right direction. I'll just change it to display the rates rather than the totals.

edit: never mind, it already has that. Unfortunately it does include reclaim in the graph which makes it a bit harder to read.

Statistics: Posted by Ghoti — 14 Aug 2012, 17:34

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:32:48+02:00

Hotstats and raw data that you can take out of the game are two very different things. Having someone work up your data for you is like coming home from a long vacation to find that your wife is pregnant.

Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 14 Aug 2012, 17:32

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:30:36+02:00

supcom fa economy is really not linear, it is exponential, but even then you cannot find a simple formula like mass(t) = m0*exp(n*t) with n as a constant. Too many influences go in. You would rather have an equation with hundreds of factors

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 14 Aug 2012, 17:30

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:18:17+02:00

Yes it would. However, it would lose out to someone making economy for a bit and then switching to exclusively tanks, which is what usually happens.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 14 Aug 2012, 17:18

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T17:04:27+02:00

Gowerly wrote:
Technically, if the only thing you were doing is building economy, then yes it would be exponential:

Consider, you can build a t2 power generator and 3 t2 mass fabricators on + 3 mass/second in an amount of time (a really long one).

You are then at +6 mass a second and can build a t2 power generator and 3 t2 mass fabricators in half the time.
You are then at +9 mass a second and can build a t2 power generator and 3 t3 mass fabricators in a third of the time.

And so on.

However, nobody ONLY eco spams.

so if the above build order is an exponential economy, would it still be exponential if i make infinite amounts of tanks from 1 factory in addition to it?

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 14 Aug 2012, 17:04

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T16:59:55+02:00

Nope exactly this

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 14 Aug 2012, 16:59

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T16:59:12+02:00

Technically, if the only thing you were doing is building economy, then yes it would be exponential:

Consider, you can build a t2 power generator and 3 t2 mass fabricators on + 3 mass/second in an amount of time (a really long one).

You are then at +6 mass a second and can build a t2 power generator and 3 t2 mass fabricators in half the time.
You are then at +9 mass a second and can build a t2 power generator and 3 t3 mass fabricators in a third of the time.

And so on.

However, nobody ONLY eco spams.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 14 Aug 2012, 16:59

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T16:52:09+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
Anaryl wrote:
rootbeer23 wrote:
i dunno how you play this game, but i have an exponential economy every time.

That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

That

exponential: Relating to a mathematical expression containing one or more exponents. Something is said to increase or decrease exponentially if its rate of change must be expressed using exponents. A graph of such a rate would appear not as a straight line, but as a curve that continually becomes steeper or shallower.

The American Heritage® Science Dictionary

or is there another kind of exponential?

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 14 Aug 2012, 16:52

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T16:24:40+02:00

Anaryl wrote:
rootbeer23 wrote:
Anaryl wrote:It's a linear economy, not exponential.

i dunno how you play this game, but i have an exponential economy every time.

That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

That

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 14 Aug 2012, 16:24

Re: A note to FAF veterans.

2012-08-14T15:46:12+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
Obviously reclaim impacts on the eco in a big positive way, but the point is whatever the source of income, the sooner you get your investment in eco worth it, the sooner your eco will go crazy. It's not literally exponential , but my feeling is that it's not linear at all.

its also literally exponential

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 14 Aug 2012, 15:46