Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-07T19:10:13+02:00

IMO there are no tip-top players any more, really. By that phrase I don't just mean "Best currently" I mean "Right at the top of what's possible". So BH and Zock in their heydays would be the prime examples. I watched a fair amount of Zock's gameplay, and he rarely lashed out in chat. Too busy kicking ass. BH was much the same in a serious game environment, say in tournament matches. We are also a hilariously small sample set in a game that attracts a certain kind of personality. In general, I've observed the same pattern in LOL, DOTA, CSGO, TF2, and OW tournaments. It's the runners up team, or the quarter finalists, that have the foulest mouths. The winners are far more professional in their conduct, all through the tournament.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 07 Aug 2018, 19:10

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-07T18:53:43+02:00

Do you think the tip-top players of FAF don’t do/say things that break FAF rules?

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 07 Aug 2018, 18:53

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-07T18:39:17+02:00

jediflamaster wrote:
SNIIIIIP!

Reading through your history and examples, I can see how you've come to the conclusions you have about what's acceptable in online gaming environments and what behaviour you expect and tolerate. However, there's a difference between what's acceptable in some communities and what's good in almost all of them. In my experience, the people who shittalk the most are the players just below the very tip-top. They think it makes them seem hard and intimidating and impressive. They seem to enjoy putting others down, or pretend the insults build people up (It works, rarely) rather than simply making them never return (The normal response). The very best players (In terms you will understand, think B4nny) rarely shittalk, and certainly never get caught using anything that could be construed as against our rules (They might use a meme or a lenny face but that's about it), because they don't feel the need to. If someone annoys them, they let their skill do the talking.

PS - Add me on Steam will you mate? Same name, IceDreamer, avatar's Olaf from Frozen. It'll be nice to have someone to stretch me on TF2, especially since you seem to be a Pyro main. It's been years since I last improved at the class (Lessons from Huey and TMP).

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 07 Aug 2018, 18:39

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T20:10:36+02:00

Daily reminder that according to !smurfcheck all of [Com] clan is basically one dude having a constant schizophrenic fit.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 05 Aug 2018, 20:10

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T19:03:05+02:00

I also do not understand why talking to mods and even copy&pasitng them the !smurfcheck results doesnt trigger any form of action.

The reason, though, is very simple. Moderation is the work of a team and not of a person. Having a form filled out allows for :
- Logging more easily the offense and next time the same offender shows up, we know he has a record
- Making the offense visible to all moderators so the team can discuss about it and take a group decision

There is also the case of when you're reporting a game or a behavior to a moderator and they can't check it right now at the moment, in which case a form (to which they'll always be coming back at one point or another) is an easier way for them to check out on the offense in the future.

You must understand that we must always be suspicious the reporter / offended may be trying to get some guy he doesn't like banned, and that therefore we must be suspicious and set back from the content we see reported before taking any action.

Statistics: Posted by Louvegarde — 05 Aug 2018, 19:03

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T18:49:50+02:00

~ self-fulfilling prophecy
As I said, I sent reports.

~ iKatherine
After having sent multiple reports and having received somewhat harsh responses from one mod, I talked to visionik himself (not ZeP) who was very unhappy with what was going on. Eventually, iKatherine was finally banned.

I also do not understand why talking to mods and even copy&pasitng them the !smurfcheck results doesnt trigger any form of action.
It's like going to a police station telling them about a suspect person right in front of the station, and they don't look, bc "no report filed" and instead he says "prolly not a problem anyway".
*shrugs*

@viba
How can a 2100 rated player stay 1300 on a second account?

Anyway, thanks, I will just file report next time.

Statistics: Posted by --- — 05 Aug 2018, 18:49

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T18:39:12+02:00

Bashing noobs with a lower rated account, artificially keeping rating low, avoiding bans and so forth I categorize as abusive use.
Smurfcheck is not 100% accurate but merely to give an indication if there is a possiblity for a player to have smurfs, the results need proper investigation to deem if they are real or not.

Statistics: Posted by Viba — 05 Aug 2018, 18:39

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T18:37:27+02:00

The only thing I can say to that Blackster is that you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You don't bother, so you don't report, so you don't ever get results.
I can assure you that reports will be taken seriously and we will not take action toward people who give us reports which don't turn out to be valid.

When it comes to ikatherine, I remember it well; asking zep to ban that account got a response after 5 months or so.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 05 Aug 2018, 18:37

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T18:39:24+02:00

While the content is the same, I still have not been given an answer to my question.
What constitutes "abuse" of multiple accounts? When is it not deemed "abusive" use?

I talked to mods on aeolus directly bc I still can't answer the question above and thus do not know if reporting would make any sense to begin with. How can I report someone for violating a rule when the rule itself is unclear and hence my complaint may be invalid?

Let me ask you back: when I talked to mods and asked "is it ok for x to have multiple accounts? Looks like he is smurfing?", why don't they usually say "please send a report" but more like come up with reasons why it would not be a problem ("maybe old account deactivated", "multiple accounts dont automatically mean abuse or smurfing", "!smurfcheck isnt alway accurate".)?
In general, I feel like smurfing and multiple accounts are kinda tolerated, especially by the higher ranked trolling community members. It is "fun" - probably bc it is not their games which are imbalanced by those players?

I still remember how it took months to have iKatherine banned, including me sending several reports and messages.

Statistics: Posted by --- — 05 Aug 2018, 18:32

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T18:25:36+02:00

I know this does not have much to do with the topic, but I am still just going to leave this here since this subject is being discussed in many replies. I am guessing many of you already know the institution, but in case you are unfamiliar with Freedom House: Freedom House is an NGO which tries to evaluate (political) freedom. I found it to be fairly useful when discussing topics like these, though I personally would not use it for scientific purposes.

Spoiler: show

The methodology: (-> how those numbers are calculated and other things)

Spoiler: show

Ofc you can criticize a lot about the methodology, but it is undeniably easy to read and to understand without many scientific terms
I also suggest using other sites and literature as well, though they often do require either a lot more time to get into or ignore to many variables.

Statistics: Posted by ____ — 05 Aug 2018, 18:25

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T18:19:49+02:00

I'd just like to comment to say that rules like this aren't new... some people seem to be under the impression that this is a new thing. It's not. We merely updated the format and the wording.
It's now significantly easier to read. The core content has not changed.

@Blackster when I see things like this, I wonder why there is no report.

EDIT: http://bit.ly/2a9Yg5i https://i.imgur.com/5KPmGJx.png

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 05 Aug 2018, 18:19

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T18:09:50+02:00

smurfcheck is not 100% accurate

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 05 Aug 2018, 18:09

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T18:03:40+02:00

I would like to know this:
"No abusing multiple accounts" is mentioned in the latest news with regard to the rules.

I asked multiple mods over time and noone could define what "abuse" means. I told them of a player who is rated 2000+ and now also has a 1300 rated account - not letting others know who he is and consequently messing up the balance. He has another few accounts as well (at least !smurfcheck tells me so).

I have not heard a single compelling argument for why it is ok to have multiple accounts to begin with. That aside, what is "abusive" behavior when it comes to multiple accounts and what is the reaction "abusive" players will have to face?

Thanks for clarrifying.

Statistics: Posted by --- — 05 Aug 2018, 18:03

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T17:46:59+02:00

FLATEARTH wrote:
Also who says you go to jail for talking and being rude in your country? That only happens in dictatorships and a select few Euro countries. Trump literally talks shit everyday and so do people in the British parliament.

Have you ever seen a parliament hearing in the UK?

Geosearchef did. Well, not jail in particular. He said, literally this:

Geosearchef wrote:
Most legal systems in the world see "insulting people" as a bannable offense. Society agrees that insulting people is a bannable offense. If that isn't obvious to you than I don't think anyone cares about you being a part of the community.

Statistics: Posted by jediflamaster — 05 Aug 2018, 17:46

Re: Regarding the new rules

2018-08-05T17:40:24+02:00

You should write a book about it, who knows, maybe one day someone will even make a movie about your life story!

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 05 Aug 2018, 17:40