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Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-19T13:25:52+02:00

Apparently nobody listens. DO NOT USE THEM ALONE. Seriously, merge them with your T1 hoard. They can do unbelievable damage when hidden like this. Remember, the Cybrans, however much some hate the stereotype, are the 'Sneaky' faction. While Stealth and Cloaking are the most obvious way this is envisioned, it seems to me that 'Hiding' your units in plain sight, in the crowd, would be a totally Cybran thing to do. Merge them in with your T1, and watch the carnage commence. You only need three or four in the whole group, carefully microed into position for maximum damage. As a Commander Killer, or for taking out a Factory, or T2 Power Generator, there really is no equal in the T '1' hoard.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 19 Oct 2012, 13:25

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-19T09:04:33+02:00

actually u can give queued orders before the beetles go into the transport, so u dont have to watch the landing of the drop with full attention.

on the other hand killing t2 mex where he can rebuild it in seconds, is not so effective as it seems to be. keep in mind if he reclaims the dead mex he gets back 80% of the mass and can tech an other t1 mex to t2 quite fast if he assists it with engis.

once i killed all t2 mex in an enemy base with tml, and thought this is now an easy match - i lost it. he rebuild the t2 mex so fast that after all the mass for the tatical missle was a waste...
so if u kill the t2 mex in the enemy base, destroy the wreckage of it too to have full effect.

so beetles in transports might be fun but not so effective as it seems to be. danger of getting the transport shot, risk of getting the landed beetles shot, almost no effect if the t2 mex is rebuild in 45 secs.

Statistics: Posted by Batmansrueckkehr — 19 Oct 2012, 09:04

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-16T18:42:40+02:00

If you can sneak a transport into a base and kill the 2 T2 pgens close together and another 2 T2 mex and storage then they cover their cost really quite well. they only take up same space as T1 units on transports.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 16 Oct 2012, 18:42

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-16T12:03:02+02:00

DilliDalli wrote:
I would suggest that maybe when you tell multiple beetles to attack with one order they use a sort of formation when moving so that not all are in range. That could cause the issue I had with only one of the three actually "hitting".

if u use more at once, this formation should be done manually, imo. otherwise it would be just too easy. so they r fine as they r.

Statistics: Posted by Batmansrueckkehr — 16 Oct 2012, 12:03

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-16T00:20:42+02:00

I've used them a couple of times now. Massing them doesn't work, and shouldn't, but I recommend building a couple, just a couple, as your first T2 units out of the factory, and simply hiding them inside the T1 spam. So far, not one of my enemies has noticed that there are a couple there until it was too late

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 16 Oct 2012, 00:20

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-15T16:14:41+02:00

They currently require micro to be used efficiently as assassins, and it's probably for the best, since otherwise they would be OP. Either you need to make sure they will attack with a bit of delay and space between each of them, either you surround the ACU and use CTRL+K to insta explode them at the same time and prevent them to blow each other up.
If at least 2 explodes succesfully, your opponent will either die, or just freak out and run for his life.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 15 Oct 2012, 16:14

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-15T15:48:20+02:00

But not with multiple bombs, which I had an issue with.

I would suggest that maybe when you tell multiple beetles to attack with one order they use a sort of formation when moving so that not all are in range. That could cause the issue I had with only one of the three actually "hitting".

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 15 Oct 2012, 15:48

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-15T15:16:57+02:00

They are fine here you can watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9qLFtsY ... ature=plcp

nice kill with beetle 10th minute. ive used them like this in a few ranked games and some more times on seton. even itchi was kicked once by those beetles
with this damage they are nearly imba against acus

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 15 Oct 2012, 15:16

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-12T18:07:16+02:00

I provided a replay in the op of the one time I believe I've set out to use them- and as demonstrated it failed spectacularly.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 12 Oct 2012, 18:07

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-12T12:42:04+02:00

I've never really seen them used, so I can't really comment on whether they're effective or not. I can tell you why things happen, though!

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 12 Oct 2012, 12:42

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-12T12:14:32+02:00

Yes but not so deadly when you are in the position of rolling them, you attack with a group of beetles and only one hits...

I'm not interested in a unit where every time you use it theres a 50-50 chance it will do nothing. Thats not RTS thats real time dice rolling.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 12 Oct 2012, 12:14

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-12T11:29:37+02:00

From the tone of your message, I thought you were implying they were not really dangerous when I really think they are because of this target priority thingie.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 12 Oct 2012, 11:29

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-12T10:28:18+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
I disagree Gowerly. I've seen snipes with those happening quite easily. I'm not sure if this has been fixed in one of the numerous patches, but the target priority is messed up for this unit.

This one already happened to me : being on the verge of overrunning my opponent with a flow of t1 spam and then, because of a few remaining units from the enemy, NONE of my units targeted the 3 mobile bombs that jumped at me. By the time I realized it, I didn't have time to target manually (slow clicker lol). I thing those things are deadly, bugged but very powerful when they work.

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. I didn't really offer an opinion on WHETHER they should blow each other up.
For targeting, t1 units are targeted before t2, which are targeted before t3.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 12 Oct 2012, 10:28

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-12T10:15:31+02:00

Could introduce a new armour type and weapon damage so they still do damage to each other but its reduced to the point that unless there's way too many of them they still fire ie 4500Damage but 100 - 150 to each other.
Not sure if its possible to add armour types to the game though.

-Slightly related
Otherwise you could turn them into walking mines by giving them the sera scouts ability.

Statistics: Posted by NotAsian — 12 Oct 2012, 10:15

Re: Fire Beetles are Broken

2012-10-12T03:39:52+02:00

I disagree Gowerly. I've seen snipes with those happening quite easily. I'm not sure if this has been fixed in one of the numerous patches, but the target priority is messed up for this unit.

This one already happened to me : being on the verge of overrunning my opponent with a flow of t1 spam and then, because of a few remaining units from the enemy, NONE of my units targeted the 3 mobile bombs that jumped at me. By the time I realized it, I didn't have time to target manually (slow clicker lol). I thing those things are deadly, bugged but very powerful when they work.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 12 Oct 2012, 03:39