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Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-13T21:30:09+02:00

I guess you aren't used to taking out a Turtle, as there were a lot of things in that game which could have been done much better. Battleships should have been micro'd far more, map control should have been more important, T1 Engies should have been being switched out for T3 once you got near the pop cap to keep the build power going up, and you should have built less navy, just enough that you kept the pressure on. The main killing objective once his Turtling became clear should have been a co-ordinated strike by between 20 and 25 Ahwassa. NOTHING can survive that.

Yes, Missile Ships would have helped

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 13 Oct 2012, 21:30

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-13T00:00:35+02:00

I wish I had missile ships here. Over 25 battleships, 20 destroyers and 25 cruisers fell to meads insane defences. I reacon 10 missile ships would have ended the game quite quickly. Insane game on renoake abyss.

me vs mead starts 22 mins in
multiple battleships arrive at his base at arond 40 mins in
epic battleship spam and massed cruisers and shields at around 1 hour in

Thats how long he managed to survive against T3 navy. I had over +450 mass by the end. All of that was going into battleships that could not crack his turtle.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 13 Oct 2012, 00:00

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T16:37:37+02:00

Comparing the UEF and Aeon Navies is pointless. The UEF and Aeon are fundamentally opposite factions. The UEF require hardly any micro, and their units are designed to fulfil overlapping and wide-ranging roles. The Aeon are extremely micro-intensive, and each unit is designed to fulfil a specific and very narrow role, but to do that role really, really well.

Before the nerf, the Missile Ship was broken. Busted. Overpowered. Retarded. There is no other way of putting it, it was strong beyond belief and all reason.

Even in the nerfed form, it is incredibly powerful. It outranges every other mobile unit in the game, apart from the Scathis, it pounds any reasonable TMD and shield system to pieces, and it deals incredible damage to any single target. It is an assassin, and using it for any other purpose is a pointless, dumb waste of time. You want to level a base? Build a Tempest.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 12 Oct 2012, 16:37

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T13:03:16+02:00

Hi guys,

Be happy that you can build a defense tmd ... aeon tmd can not offer that ... you can not defend yourself against cruiser
when they come early it's almost a lost game. So what now when aeon at t3 do to you what you did to them at earlier stage ? ....

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 12 Oct 2012, 13:03

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T12:46:09+02:00

problem remains that you have to build the defenses over the wide area that can be reach by gg missile ship rockets.
and even if you do and it costs you less, i have already sniped most of your infrastructure and i may simply choose to attack one of your teammates. you may be able to defend 4 or 5 mass extractors with that kind of defense cluster.
and while you are busy bringing up defenses, i lean back and make every strat bomber hit where it hurts.
Your shield cover was off as much as it was on, 1 or 2 bombs would have taken out the majority of your TMD from which point on you would not have been able to rebuild it quickly enough.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 12 Oct 2012, 12:46

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T12:06:23+02:00

Scruffy: "Iszh the ballancing from FA is stopped until next year" in the chat

so you convinced me and i will play from now uef. ongoing in here in the new year with a new post

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 12 Oct 2012, 12:06

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T11:31:55+02:00

Iszh wrote:
maybe then you already won when you can get such a ships but what if not and if they are important for you to win as aeon to clean the coast of enemy.
then i hope after nerf you are a very very very very patient person xD
-> watch the replay and enjoy and please think always this could be nearly the same ammount of battleships there!
i guess the effekt of 8 uef battleships you can imagine yourself not to mention that they would win any seafight.

p.s. it is a short sandbox replay so dont be shy and watch it

Erf if you're in a position of cleaning the enemy cost, you won already right ?

Plus it sounds more like trying to build the wrong unit at the wrong moment, when you say "if not bla bla""...
You can't say soul ripper is shit because you built it, it costed a lot but then you got not enough support for it to remain viable.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 12 Oct 2012, 11:31

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T11:24:59+02:00

wrong it shows it is possible to create easy a 100% stop of a siege and only siege weapon which cannot be used good or lets say with 0 splash not at all in seafight any more.
even under heavy fire i could easily rebuilt the tmd and shields. i hope you realized there are standing 100.000 mass in front of this mini 4-5k mass defense.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 12 Oct 2012, 11:24

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T11:14:29+02:00

Iszh wrote:
maybe then you already won when you can get such a ships but what if not and if they are important for you to win as aeon to clean the coast of enemy.
then i hope after nerf you are a very very very very patient person xD
-> watch the replay and enjoy and please think always this could be nearly the same ammount of battleships there!
i guess the effekt of 8 uef battleships you can imagine yourself not to mention that they would win any seafight.

p.s. it is a short sandbox replay so dont be shy and watch it

Your completely improbable replay shows that:
- it's now possible to defend against them to some extent with TMD which was not the case before (5 AOE means Aeon TMD, even when deviating the missiles, die due to the blast). And even with a number of TMD that nobody sane would build in a game, missile ships can still wear down shields.
- what you did for a single t3 mex, you need to do for all your t3 mex spots, or indeed build 50 TMD. It's a lot of micro and mass.
- you want this unit to be a base killer on its own, as it was before. It is not. You need to mix your units. Missiles Ships force your opponent to build 50 TMD, as you did, and bam, you build a Tempest and you screw him good. That's how it is supposed to work. These ships buy you a lot of time and puts a heavy pressure on the defender. A single battleship along with 2 Missile Ships will kill the TMD while the torrent ships will down shields and kill t3 mexes and what not.

Anywya, if you think they suck, build battleships or Tempest instead and mock players who will build them against you and force you to cover your base with TMD.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 12 Oct 2012, 11:14

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T10:32:05+02:00

maybe then you already won when you can get such a ships but what if not and if they are important for you to win as aeon to clean the coast of enemy.
then i hope after nerf you are a very very very very patient person xD
-> watch the replay and enjoy and please think always this could be nearly the same ammount of battleships there!
i guess the effekt of 8 uef battleships you can imagine yourself not to mention that they would win any seafight.

p.s. it is a short sandbox replay so dont be shy and watch it

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 12 Oct 2012, 10:32

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T10:09:11+02:00

f*** i agree with root.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 12 Oct 2012, 10:09

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T10:01:10+02:00

Iszh wrote:
gg ship. built it in this condition and your enemies will laugh.

if you are in a position to build gg missile ships, your enemy is already crying.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 12 Oct 2012, 10:01

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T10:02:16+02:00

when was the last time you used the nerfed rocket ship? i am waiting in the middle of seton drinking a cup ot tea with rum and a nice cigarette from punta cana. and nothing will disturb my calm waiting there

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 12 Oct 2012, 10:00

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T09:57:45+02:00

Iszh wrote:
the 1km more range has no real value. of course it is a nice bonus but this ship was not imba. now it cannot even hit 2 sams which are standing next to each other. a t2 uef cruiser can do. and the fucking uef cruiser has 500 dps anti air rockets and a gun with 50 dps and cost 1/4 of a rocket ship. this ship is a shadow of what it was before. and even before you could not see it tooooo often. there was no reason to castrate this ship in such a dramatic way.

Imba I don't know but it was way too powerfull.

Even for navy battles it's a great asset to harass the enemy while being very far and waiting in position for him to engage (and lose).

When was the last time you played mid and tried to defend again a missile ship Iszh ? I think you forgot the taste of it

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 12 Oct 2012, 09:57

Re: Rocket Ship

2012-10-12T09:59:01+02:00

By overcoming TMD i don't mean killing TMD, I mean killing the target in spite of TMD. It's precisely to not make them rape tons of TMD that the splash was removed. Because, you know, TMD are supposed to be able to help defend against these, which was certainly not the case before. It used to kill any TMD your opponent would try to build because there is not a lot of space in a base, and 5 AOE can destroy a quarter of a base ( it was easy to kill 6 TMD in one missile). Now, the opponent can actually slow down his demise with TMD but as Root said, he has to build them everywhere.
Before, the only way to defend agaisnt these was shields and more shields.

It just needs more time to do the same thing as before, and more surgically. They are not artillery ships. That's all.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 12 Oct 2012, 09:57