Forged Alliance Forever

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-24T06:44:36+02:00

this year, i really hope, just have so much to do atm

but nothing with the calculation of ranking (seriously ZeP will have known what he did there, i have no clue how it works EXACTLY)

also rocking needs more tweaking, so test the rocking-mod if want to have that in
(yes we know about the UEF Fregate bug just press "S" if it occours)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1953&hilit=rocking

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 24 Oct 2012, 06:44

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-24T02:51:08+02:00

the lobby shows you a score after each game. this score is based on how many commanders you kill and whether your team wins or loses. this score is intended for testing purposes only.

unfortunately there will be no more improvements/changes for the lobby (at least this year) unless you do it yourself.
look here for more imformation:
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1929
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1788

my opinion is that this scoring system results in an increase of newbie bashing (as we could see in the past half year), because everybody assumes the given score after each game means something. Ze_Pilot just explained that the real score changes can be quite different from the displayed score changes.

the only hope i have is ColonelSheppard. he tried to change it, but i do not know whether he had/will have success in this modification and whether his will be implemented this year.
look here:
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1855

Statistics: Posted by eXcalibur — 24 Oct 2012, 02:51

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-21T17:23:23+02:00

The average player will have a best estimate rating at 1500. This will always be the case, regardless of the overall community skill. I would argue that with the influx of new players peoples ratings will be going up now without necessarily them getting any batter, although this will only be a small effect.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 21 Oct 2012, 17:23

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-21T16:00:55+02:00

To clarify what PilOt means by that last bit, about it now being a ladder: This system has been designed so that the only way you can get a significantly better rating is by increasing your skill level faster than the average. The longer any one person plays, the better they will become, so a normal ladder system will have every player climbing places as they gain a natural level of experience. This system takes into account that natural betterment, so to raise your rating you have to better yourself MORE than the natural pace. You must become a LOT better a LOT faster. For example, if you suddenly start to play at the level of TAG_Rock or TAG_Uber, your rating will skyrocket, but if you just slowly improve, your rating will stay the same, even if you are five times the player you were a year ago.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 21 Oct 2012, 16:00

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-21T12:06:12+02:00

Nope, nothing wrong, sorry.

The system doesn't care who you kill. The system doesn't even care if you die or not.

What matter is if your team won or not. And the loss/gain of point depends of the difference in the level of each team.

IE. if the teams are balanced, it doesn't matter if you win or loss at all, because as you have 50% chances of winning or losing, both are expected results.

If you play a stacked game (on the weak team) and loss, it won't matter, as it was the expected result.
If you play a stacked game (on the weak team) and win, it will matter a lot as you defeat the probabilities.

From what I can see, you win balanced games (or stacked won in the higher side), and lose little less balanced games (in the higher side).
Nothing wrong from going from 1830 to 1810 with 6 victories for 13 games.

It's in fact a proof that the system is working great

The most important thing is : it's a rating system, not a ladder. You are not supposed to going up on every win, and not up generally over time.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 21 Oct 2012, 12:06

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-21T12:00:45+02:00

im not score hungry. it are just my experiences.
i look at every score change after game.
i killed voodoo and mercy in one game and gained +4 and for a loose its -10 till -15. sometimes even more.
i dont complain. its just a feedback that there must be something wrong.

Statistics: Posted by EPICtheONE — 21 Oct 2012, 12:00

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-21T09:40:47+02:00

I must also note that you are surprise that your score did not inflate. It's not supposed to, unless you start play way better and all others players don't.
Unlike Elo, a 1500 rating now mean the same thing that a 1500 rating in 10 years.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 21 Oct 2012, 09:40

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-20T23:25:11+02:00

If a score fails to report, it's probably because the server didn't record valid teams.

And that won't be fixed. (the beta is over for 6 months now).

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 20 Oct 2012, 23:25

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-20T23:21:11+02:00

i really was thinking about a post a long long time cause it looks like i search for an excuse why my score is still on 1600. but its definetly not an excuse.i relog after every game when game results shown up and i really have a look at it. and often after wins the game result dont appear and even after relog there is no score change.
its just a post to tell you that there is something wrong.
i really like your work and im thanjful for it.

Statistics: Posted by EPICtheONE — 20 Oct 2012, 23:21

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-20T23:20:02+02:00

Probably because you never lost point after a win, but failed to refresh the page (or don't remember your previous rating correctly).

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 20 Oct 2012, 23:20

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-20T23:17:43+02:00

after the win i lost about 15 score points o.O and after a draw (but team lost) i was down to 1624. that doesnt really make sence

Statistics: Posted by EPICtheONE — 20 Oct 2012, 23:17

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-20T23:15:20+02:00

It's probably fair yes.

If you lose against a "bad" player and win against a "bad" one, that will happen.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 20 Oct 2012, 23:15

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-20T23:14:55+02:00

look pilot. i was up to 1680 or something and after 1 loose and 1 win i fall to 1626. is that fair?

Statistics: Posted by EPICtheONE — 20 Oct 2012, 23:14

Re: bugs and more

2012-10-20T23:13:21+02:00

EPICtheONE wrote:
and sometimes after game it says " game speed not normal" but it was and in this case i loose score even if i won the game.

No you don't.

Every "score problem" that were reported to me were in fact no problem at all, just people unable to refresh a html page most of the time.

There is actually no known bug in the score system (except clients that fails to report a win, but that's often irrelevant in team games).

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 20 Oct 2012, 23:13

bugs and more

2012-10-20T23:09:29+02:00

the score system

a score system is a mirror that shows how good a player is and how much skill he has compared to others.
when this score system is bugged the logical result is that its pretty much nonsense or not?
since score system has been released i recognize stacked games more than ever and its not even working well.

did anyone of you receive the same problem like me?

all my looses are recorded but only about 70 % wins and sometimes after game it says " game speed not normal" but it was and in this case i loose score even if i won the game.
i can only speak for myself but i dont even get the opportunity to rise up in score.
its so full of bugs that i have to give my best for holding it. i loose about 20 for loose and gain about 2-4 for a win.
this+ the bugs is pretty annoying.

yours Epic

Statistics: Posted by EPICtheONE — 20 Oct 2012, 23:09