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Re: cybran acu gun

2012-12-13T20:01:56+02:00

well moving the gun wouldnt exactly make it not the by far weakest acu in early game, it would just make it less useless you still cant buy all the other cool gadgets and still have lower hp, but you can at least keep the freaking gun on for a while.

Statistics: Posted by Klon — 13 Dec 2012, 20:01

Re: cybran acu gun

2012-12-12T21:54:43+02:00

The cybran have the worst early and mid game acu to make up for their amazing late game acu.

Statistics: Posted by Swkoll — 12 Dec 2012, 21:54

Re: cybran acu gun

2012-12-12T19:31:15+02:00

yes ofc telemazer, thats what i meant with the potentially suicidal teleport sheme whats so ultimate about stealth+gun? i mean i get the basic idea but is it better in your average spam war than t2+gun+maybe tac launcher/shield/nanorepair? doubt that, again its a very situational thing.

Statistics: Posted by Klon — 12 Dec 2012, 19:31

Re: cybran acu gun

2012-12-12T19:22:02+02:00

Don't forget the power of the telemazer com!

Also stealth + gun + air is the ultimate early ACU weapon, just saying.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 12 Dec 2012, 19:22

Re: cybran acu gun

2012-12-12T18:45:39+02:00

yes faction diversity and all that, theres no problem with it in general. its ok that the acu starts off with lower health, it makes sense that cybers have no shield upgrade on their com. its debatable that the only plus cybers get in exchange for the shields, nanorepairs, drones, tac missile launchers, resto fields, double ras etc. they dont have are 4 very situational, gimmicky upgrades. 2 of which are late game upgrades that come with the catch of beeing only useful in potentially suicidal teleport or sneaky shemes. torp tube is entirely dependant on the map and wasnt useful in any game i have ever played, tho i guess its alright. while stealth depends on your enemy having bad scouting and isnt very useful on its own.

i guess you can call all that faction diversity, although it seems to me that the designers just didnt have any more ideas. anyway, all that already amounts to a weakness for the cybran acu in the early and mid game, moving the gun will just make it less of a crippling disadvantage.

Statistics: Posted by Klon — 12 Dec 2012, 18:45

Re: cybran acu gun

2012-12-12T18:14:21+02:00

cybran has other upgrades to make up for the inability to combine tech and gun

you can go:
gun + stealth (instead of gun + tech)
laser + tech + stealth (instead of gun + shield + tech)
torps + tech + stealth (there is nothing to compare that to)

Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 12 Dec 2012, 18:14

Re: cybran acu gun

2012-12-12T17:56:49+02:00

for faction diversity reasons, cybran's acu is just weaker than the others. u have a little more hp regeneration and thst's it. nothing will get changed there it seems.

Statistics: Posted by Batmansrueckkehr — 12 Dec 2012, 17:56

cybran acu gun

2012-12-12T13:33:10+02:00

well im not allowed to make propositions in the patch thread so ill just randomly throw this in here its probably been proposed and discussed already somewhere else but maybe someone who is allowed to wants to make a poll from it. move cybran acu gun from the left arm to the right, make the microwave gun require the gun upgrade (not a real buff since 100 dps dont matter at that point but kinda makes sense to do it that way anyway).

it seems like a rather hefty disadvantage that you cant have t2 upgrade and gun on the same com, especially since the t2 upgrade also provides hp and regen which i usually would wanna have on a shooter com. the cybran acu starts off with higher regen to make up for its lack of hp, but since it cant have the t2 upgrade with gun, it ends up having fewer hp and much smaller regen compared to any other acu at the early stage of game. the time window to get gun but not t2 is pretty small so gun upgrade is often a questionable investment for cybran, since you will want to get rid of it soon anyway - compared to say uef who will use it until they buy ras. considering that the cybran acu also has very limited upgrade potential until the late game, it shouldnt be that way. uef, aoen can reasonbly afford to get a shield early if you invest in some energy, sera and uef can get tac launcher, sera can get nanorepair and other crap, cybran get the rather gimmicky stealth upgrade and cloak upgrade which you cant afford until it gets useless.

Statistics: Posted by Klon — 12 Dec 2012, 13:33