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Re: SCU RAS for Seraphim -- WTF

2012-12-20T22:39:59+02:00

is that already getting a troll threat......

can we pls remove yotha its to strong

Statistics: Posted by Mr-Smith — 20 Dec 2012, 22:39

Re: SCU RAS for Seraphim -- WTF

2012-12-20T22:11:21+02:00

Can we remove para pls its super op

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 20 Dec 2012, 22:11

Re: SCU RAS for Seraphim -- WTF

2012-12-20T19:42:54+02:00

if you can't accept some aspects of faction diversity, you probably should switch what games you play - in a 1v1 or the very most teamgames, this doesn't matter at all

if you keep playing eco-whore games, please complain about the paragon aswell
"it's so unfair! only aeon got it, we have to remove it from the game!! i will only play aeon from now on, until it's balanced!"

Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 20 Dec 2012, 19:42

Re: SCU RAS for Seraphim -- WTF

2012-12-20T19:04:22+02:00

I asked to contain the discussion to the economy and not the military because these two are separate progression tracks within the game. In the SCU RAS example, the late stage eco of all factions (except sera) rely on it, mostly because of it's scalability. In other words, it allows the player to maintain that exponential eco curve without limit except for the number of units. That late stage eco development is denied to the sera player, and this matters on larger maps. There is only so much room for sera to play simcity.

Recognize that in all other aspects of eco development, the factions are equal. UEF pgen = CYB pgen etc. The faction diversity in this game is all on military aspects, except for the sera SCU RAS, and it is a big deal. No single military advantage makes up for the fact that sera is denied later stage eco.

I would like to see this change. It doesn't just impact larger 40x40 and 80x80 maps, but also smaller maps with limited space for the player to build on. You can only fit so many sera mass/energy farms on a 6 player Roanoke. It's the single reason I don't play with sera on these maps .

Statistics: Posted by HEAVY — 20 Dec 2012, 19:04

Re: SCU RAS for Seraphim -- WTF

2012-12-20T14:08:17+02:00

HEAVY wrote:
Why don't the Seraphim get RAS on their SCUs again? It seems odd that in all aspects of economy the factions are equal, except this one.

This has a big impact to the scalability of the Sera eco late game, engy assisted SCU RAS is so much faster. Am I missing a major trade off?

Please contain the discussion to economy only.

The only reason for you to request that the discussion relate ONLY to economy, is to attempt to portray the Seraphim SCU as being inferior.
The fact is, when looked at as a complete package, it is a very useful tool.

I think you should discuss at least the Seraphim SCU as a whole, and maybe even discuss it in the context of the rest of the seraphim army....or not at all, because there is absolutely no value in discussing just the lack of RAS upgrade on the Seraphim SCU.

Statistics: Posted by Stin — 20 Dec 2012, 14:08

Re: SCU RAS for Seraphim -- WTF

2012-12-20T01:03:20+02:00

You said to limit the convo to eco only, but I have to say that the Sera SACU with nano-repair and personal shield and teleporter is a very powerful and unique combination. I am a big fan of RAS but the Sera SACU has its own advantages which I think offsets its lack of RAS.

Statistics: Posted by Combo — 20 Dec 2012, 01:03

Re: SCU RAS for Seraphim -- WTF

2012-12-19T08:36:57+02:00

in return, their SCUs can upgrade overcharge, then reclaim and get more mass than your second RAS could

also, they give more mass energy output than the others when none is upgraded

Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 19 Dec 2012, 08:36

SCU RAS for Seraphim -- WTF

2012-12-19T08:17:02+02:00

Why don't the Seraphim get RAS on their SCUs again? It seems odd that in all aspects of economy the factions are equal, except this one.

This has a big impact to the scalability of the Sera eco late game, engy assisted SCU RAS is so much faster. Am I missing a major trade off?

Please contain the discussion to economy only.

Statistics: Posted by HEAVY — 19 Dec 2012, 08:17