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Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-18T13:13:45+02:00

Valki wrote:
ColonelSheppard wrote:There are a number of "I" below the symbol that show you the tech level
also you dont have to click right on top of the mex in order to target it, you can just pull your mouse over it, whíle clicking left.

But still, not an option for viewers of recorded video's.

hä?

Valki wrote:
My problem with FA is not the difficulty but the learning curve and accessibility. - I will admit I did not word that properly in my older post. High difficulty is fantastic, it allows much more skill in a game. However, a game that has a steep learning curve will not attract a big community.

there is absolutely no way to improve this curve, except better offer tuturials perhaps

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 18 Jan 2013, 13:13

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-18T10:51:45+02:00

ColonelSheppard wrote:
There are a number of "I" below the symbol that show you the tech level
also you dont have to click right on top of the mex in order to target it, you can just pull your mouse over it, whíle clicking left.

But still, not an option for viewers of recorded video's.

ColonelSheppard wrote:
I dont want to be offenisive, but i dont see your point viable, more or less everything you say is that FA was too difficult and PA should be a casual RTS game like it comes out every month. I know that PA is not FA2 (even if i would have wished) but that does not mean i do not hope that i keeps some good elements from here and not turns into a APM/big explosions game. Also, if they do this not only me will be be disapointed.

I absolutely agree that it should keep the good elements and not turn into an explosions game... judging from the video however explosions are a big focus now

My problem with FA is not the difficulty but the learning curve and accessibility. - I will admit I did not word that properly in my older post. High difficulty is fantastic, it allows much more skill in a game. However, a game that has a steep learning curve will not attract a big community.

PA will be nice if it addresses the problems without losing the good elements of the game. However, I'm not sure they will, I'm betting that in the future my two RTS games will be FAF and SC2:HotS/LotV.

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 18 Jan 2013, 10:51

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-18T10:26:29+02:00

What a troll that Valki chap is. Oh well, he should be banned soon

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 18 Jan 2013, 10:26

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-18T09:30:41+02:00

There are a number of "I" below the symbol that show you the tech level
also you dont have to click right on top of the mex in order to target it, you can just pull your mouse over it, whíle clicking left.
I dont want to be offenisive, but i dont see your point viable, more or less everything you say is that FA was too difficult and PA should be a casual RTS game like it comes out every month. I know that PA is not FA2 (even if i would have wished) but that does not mean i do not hope that i keeps some good elements from here and not turns into a APM/big explosions game. Also, if they do this not only me will be be disapointed.

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 18 Jan 2013, 09:30

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-18T09:18:12+02:00

DilliDalli wrote:
I think that although the economy is so hard to master (*understand), it provides one of the best things about the game, if not the best thing about the game. Its definately one of those things that has hooked us to playing this game 5 years after release, when all support has been withdrawn for it. Now that shows FA has done something right.

I'm not sure.

Let me stress that I do not know what should be changed to improve this without losing too much...

I am only observing that properly upgrading the mexes is too much of a deterrent to start playing the game.
In SC2, when you are a new and stupid player, you will be outnumbered 1 to 2 in the first engagements (assuming you are not zerg rushd or proxy'd). With a 1:2 disadvantage you might win one defensive battle, and you won't be steamrolled.

In FAF it is closer to a 1:10 disadvantage and you are properly steamrolled. - and this is because of the economy.

Once again, I'm not suggesting any changes, but this is too much of an obstacle to start playing.

Also, it should be easier to see what level a mex is - preferably from strategic view. As it stands now it is somewhat of an annoyance to the players that you have to zoom in or click it to see the level, for viewers it is a big problem because a viewers (via commented video) cannot zoom in or click to see it... whereas it is very easy to judge economy in SC2 by simply counting the mining bases

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 18 Jan 2013, 09:18

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-18T00:02:43+02:00

I think that although the economy is so hard to master (*understand), it provides one of the best things about the game, if not the best thing about the game. Its definately one of those things that has hooked us to playing this game 5 years after release, when all support has been withdrawn for it. Now that shows FA has done something right.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 18 Jan 2013, 00:02

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-17T23:51:29+02:00

ColonelSheppard wrote:
you cant mean this serious, dont you?

You cannot simply quote me, remove some critical text and attack my argument with that strawman.

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 17 Jan 2013, 23:51

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-17T23:55:22+02:00

Valki wrote:
FAF does have some problems;
in my opinion:
The economy is too difficult for an accessible game. (because of skill required for proper mex upgrading)
It is easy (for commentators) to miss important events
Boring pitfalls related to ACU snipes

If PA addresses these ...

[what i now understand ] it will be like supcom 2, lame and gone soon

you cant mean this serious, dont you?

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 17 Jan 2013, 23:41

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-17T23:12:47+02:00

FAF does have some problems;
in my opinion:

The economy is too difficult for an accessible game. (because of skill required for proper mex upgrading)
It is easy (for commentators) to miss important events
Boring pitfalls related to ACU snipes

If PA addresses these and in general shows promise as an e-sports candidate then I will definitely go there.
However, as they made no mention in their video of critical concepts such as balance, competitiveness, e-sports... or anything related, there is no way to say if they will be appealing or not.

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 17 Jan 2013, 23:12

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-10T18:28:43+02:00

I don't think PA will replace FA in any way..... moreover I'm a bit skeptical about the gameplay itself, I still have to understand how much "standard RTS" it will be. I may sound against the tide but the more it will look like FA and the more I'll love it.... even spherical maps do not convince me a lot....

Hopefully it will be 100% moddable so I expect to see interesting things coming from it , but it seems clear to me that we are all waiting for another game to come (which does not exist yet) : a new Forged Alliance. No shitty things like dynosaurs , c&c economy and so on . Just FA with an updated graphic engine for multicores, obv strategic zoom , 100% moddable.

Statistics: Posted by Bliss — 10 Jan 2013, 18:28

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-10T17:38:23+02:00

I dont see myself taking PA very seriously.
I think it will be a good fun game that I may play for a year, whilst keeping my hand in with FA.

After which, I'll continue to play FA.

But this is just how I feel about it, having not played PA yet, so take it FWIW.

Statistics: Posted by Stin — 10 Jan 2013, 17:38

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-10T17:29:33+02:00

In a word? Nothing.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 10 Jan 2013, 17:29

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-10T00:48:26+02:00

Flynn wrote:
Sins of a Solar Empire is not a land/air/sea battling game though. It is a spaceship battling game. So it's different to SupCom, whereas PA combines traditional gameplay with new concepts.

True. And yet, it was the only RTS to include the Strategic Zoom to come out since. So, basically the only RTS I could play since Supreme Commander.

Really, what gives?

Statistics: Posted by The_PC_Snob — 10 Jan 2013, 00:48

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-10T00:30:14+02:00

Sins of a Solar Empire is not a land/air/sea battling game though. It is a spaceship battling game. So it's different to SupCom, whereas PA combines traditional gameplay with new concepts.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 10 Jan 2013, 00:30

Re: Will you keep on playing SC when PA comes out?

2013-01-09T22:44:01+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
I think there will be different enough to have both a place in our heart, and I'm planning on playing them both (it's not like there is a lot of other appealing RTS out there )

This. I didn't stop playing Supreme Commander when Sins of a Solar Empire came out. A game with much of the same ambitions, it took lots of nice cues from Supreme Commander with the exception of the simulation aspect.

But Sup Com can't be replaced for me.

If only Sup Com 2 had improved the pathfinding but still kept the spirit of the game...

Statistics: Posted by The_PC_Snob — 09 Jan 2013, 22:44