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Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-02-14T22:45:05+02:00

guess you had your chance, it's quite useless to discuss it now

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 14 Feb 2013, 22:45

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-02-14T22:17:59+02:00

It's weak considering what else you can spend your resources on and how much to you must invest to back them up, as to not risk losing them so easily, and how much time and build power it takes to get an effective number of them. When you think about it, why not a Ythotha? TML? T3 mob arty (have you seen what 6+ cybran mob arty can do to firebases)? Why not siege tanks to go around (transports)? Why must you go head to head with a PD+shield war?

Wakke wrote:
I wouldn't be opposed to snipers getting a vision radius buff.

Vision radius buff + maybe counter intelligence when deployed, not vision all the time!

Apply to the balance change patch and suggest it please! Selen style cloaking + stealth vs radar (when deployed), only being revealed when firing (and when undeployed/moving). EMP shots is a suggestion that would help make up for its low damage.

Statistics: Posted by Stratocaster — 14 Feb 2013, 22:17

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-02-14T08:33:09+02:00

Hey look what I just dug out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1c4EHL ... w&index=71

Looks like I used to like T3 Sera sniper bots vs T3 PD

Aeon snipers aren't as good but they are good vs. t2 PD, sniping shields and of course stopping ACU's.
In general sniper bots are about the most cost efficient ground based counters to any land experimental assaults.
Arty is useless for that matter.

Not underpowered!

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 14 Feb 2013, 08:33

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-02-14T06:11:03+02:00

Are you kidding me?

Sera snipers can easily win a shield+PD war, or if shielded take on t3 pd. They don't need to be buffed. There some issues with the deploy function for sniperbots, not sure if thats been fixed.

Under-utilised != UP

Statistics: Posted by Anaryl — 14 Feb 2013, 06:11

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-02-13T23:29:51+02:00

pip wrote:
but Harbingers are quite better than Othuum

Oo

Are you under drugs ?

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 13 Feb 2013, 23:29

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T23:57:15+02:00

Aeon's suck, but Seraphim's are insane if you cna mass them. A unit which can OHKO an incoming Spiderbot in a group from insane range is nothing to sniff at, and combined with a cybran ally and a UEF ally, never underestimate dropping Snipers, Sera Shields, and Stealth bots from a Continental...

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 25 Jan 2013, 23:57

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T21:16:18+02:00

Hover is a bad idea. A weakness of the Snipers is the threat of being overwhelmed. Hovering over water removes the threat of being overwhelmed by T1/T2 bots, and submarines wont be able to attack them (Not to say that they are completely safe, Frigates are still somewhat of a threat).

They do have very low life, as they should, BUT i wouldn't mind having their range slightly increased to match that of the artillery. Even if that means increasing their reload time by a small amount.

Statistics: Posted by rockoe10 — 25 Jan 2013, 21:16

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T18:25:33+02:00

pip wrote:
There was some idea before to make Sera snipers hover units. I also think it could be a nice ability.

yes and overpowered like.. wow

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 25 Jan 2013, 18:25

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T18:18:05+02:00

I don't think they are weak per se, however, they are quite expensive considering their very low HP (you can counter them with t1 bombers) and absence of splash compared to t3 arty and the fact that t3 arties outrange them, or compared to the UEF Spearhead which is very, very cheap compared to snipers. They should be cheaper than t3 arties considering the stats, especially the buildtime.

For me, a perfect price for them would be like the Seraphim t3 shield : mass: 640, energy: 4800, build time: 3200. Aeon ones are weaker than Sera ones, but Harbingers are quite better than Othuum, so it's ok to maintain both snipers at the same cost in any case.

There was some idea before to make Sera snipers hover units. I also think it could be a nice ability.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 25 Jan 2013, 18:18

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T14:51:36+02:00

no but what i dun like, and you often 200-300 fights with mixed t3 in 1v1

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 25 Jan 2013, 14:51

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T14:21:38+02:00

ColonelSheppard wrote:
i think 1 reason for them is that many people just dislike microing 5 units at 200 vs 200 fights, arty is just easier

i never saw a t3 200 vs 200 fight. and is it so difficult to give 5 of those a number and aim at a brick/perci/t4?

Statistics: Posted by Batmansrueckkehr — 25 Jan 2013, 14:21

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T14:06:18+02:00

i think 1 reason for them is that many people just dislike microing 5 units at 200 vs 200 fights, arty is just easier

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 25 Jan 2013, 14:06

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T13:29:01+02:00

Yeah, I've done ACU snipes with them before. Also great for sniping out economy buildings (t3 pgens, etc).
If you can get enough of them you can stop Experimental pushes, too. They do get better on an exponential curve. You hit a critical mass of them whereupon it's difficult for anyone to do any high tier attacks on you due to your incredible front loaded damage.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 25 Jan 2013, 13:29

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-25T13:26:43+02:00

if you will buff them, you can make them op in large numbers,
Once i played with full share and got two sera bases with t3 landspam and started to make snipers (btw huge build time, need ton of assist) with shields
And tryed to def, at start if was not easy, but then i massed 30 snipers and about 6 shields, leading with a chiken... That was cool,
Also snipers can actually snipe an acu, 2800 damage is big surprise for acu...
Rock and raging squirell were used sniper snipes a lot, i was sniped like this too by raging, he was actually famous cause of his good t3 sera land..

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 25 Jan 2013, 13:26

Re: Are the sniperbots of seraphim and aeon to weak?

2013-01-21T17:46:22+02:00

ColonelSheppard wrote:
Gowerly wrote: if so, one of those in a transport can be used to take out t2 mass extractors.

but to be honest i think t1 arty can do this job just as effective for lower costs...

edit: hmm quotefail

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 21 Jan 2013, 17:46