Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-10T12:23:12+02:00

rockoe10 wrote:
Rocksteady wrote:It's impossible not to make mistakes in RTS games as you can only control one part of the map at once. Like take Aeon t1 if you have 3 separate battles going on, you can only effectively micro one group so the other two groups die easier/quicker and it looks like newb micro.

RTS strategy is based around mistakes, distracting a player in one area while screwing them over in another where they aren't paying attention. It's very easy to look for mistakes in replays cause you can't see where the players focus was or why and sometimes it's just luck on where you decide to focus when several things are happening at once.

That's Cybran talk, I like

Agreed,

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 10 Feb 2013, 12:23

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-08T04:29:54+02:00

Rocksteady wrote:
It's impossible not to make mistakes in RTS games as you can only control one part of the map at once. Like take Aeon t1 if you have 3 separate battles going on, you can only effectively micro one group so the other two groups die easier/quicker and it looks like newb micro.

RTS strategy is based around mistakes, distracting a player in one area while screwing them over in another where they aren't paying attention. It's very easy to look for mistakes in replays cause you can't see where the players focus was or why and sometimes it's just luck on where you decide to focus when several things are happening at once.

That's Cybran talk, I like

Statistics: Posted by rockoe10 — 08 Feb 2013, 04:29

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-07T23:57:09+02:00

It's impossible not to make mistakes in RTS games as you can only control one part of the map at once. Like take Aeon t1 if you have 3 separate battles going on, you can only effectively micro one group so the other two groups die easier/quicker and it looks like newb micro.

RTS strategy is based around mistakes, distracting a player in one area while screwing them over in another where they aren't paying attention. It's very easy to look for mistakes in replays cause you can't see where the players focus was or why and sometimes it's just luck on where you decide to focus when several things are happening at once.

Statistics: Posted by Rocksteady — 07 Feb 2013, 23:57

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-07T21:08:43+02:00

i can call BlackDeath a noob cause he has 2000 rating and knows that he isn't, but i say he makes the same mistakes as some beginners do, but of course very rarely
i took him as an example, nearly every pro player made some hard noob fails already
look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ0Og8U1Hvg
mantis gets reclaimed 'cause not paying attention, i have dozens of replays where really good players go down to gettho gunships because they are not scouting

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 07 Feb 2013, 21:08

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-07T20:23:39+02:00

ColonelSheppard wrote:
there are EXACTLY the same
but if you dont want to post in the help sections, thats your problem and not mine

One thing I have noticed about you is that you are very confrontational You clearly want to help people because of your instructional replays you have made, but your attitude leaves a lot to be desired So according to you, BlackDeath is a n00b because he makes common mistakes. So you are calling BlackDeath a n00b, mkay. So no one but the most perfect player is not a n00b? not very logical

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 07 Feb 2013, 20:23

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-07T19:30:56+02:00

Sometimes it is such things as effective use of ACU to kill land spam. Tank vs tank battles will result in losses for both side. An ACU which does the majority of the killing, provided it survives and can go back and heal up, has basically earned that side a bunch of free wins without corresponding losses. If you are running your tanks into an ACU without the critical mass needed for a kill, it plays into the enemies hands nicely. Sometimes it comes down to neglecting to reclaim wreckage from tank battles while the enemy does. Positioning and aggressive (but not reckless) use of the ACU very often makes the difference.

Statistics: Posted by Pathogenic — 07 Feb 2013, 19:30

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-07T17:38:37+02:00

there are EXACTLY the same
but if you dont want to post in the help sections, thats your problem and not mine

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 07 Feb 2013, 17:38

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-07T17:21:46+02:00

UES_Sheppard:

Newbie means someone new at the game. If a pro player like BlackDeath still makes mistakes then the mistakes are obviously not those of a new player, they are mistakes that anyone can make. Common mistakes do not=newbie.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 07 Feb 2013, 17:21

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-07T12:28:25+02:00

Flynn wrote:
I'm past the newbie stage

nope
see: only because you are over 1000 or even over 2000 that doesnt mean you are not making mistakes anymore, is see BlackDeath frequently failing like newbie in single situations (sorry for taking you as example BD ) so if you are not good in reviewing your replays yourself - post and let other try that for you

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 07 Feb 2013, 12:28

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-07T08:34:32+02:00

i usually can find out where i did wrong in my games (not all the time) usually it is lack of agression that leads to loosing middle reclaim, bad unit choise, wrong acu position, lack of scouting to prevent imba tactic, sometimes ppl just spam ints instead of being agressive with bombers, here was ton of examples that i lost when posting process failed, but sometimes it is just luck in my games can decide the ending, also some factions have huge advantage or disadvantage on some maps, they can use it or not, you can still conter when they use it (usially with air), but you need to know for sure..

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 07 Feb 2013, 08:34

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-04T01:56:51+02:00

To add to what rocksteady said it seems it's basically your build orders that are lacking. You often see someone who pulls ahead on points pull ahead the whole game. The first few minutes have a huge effect on the rest of the battle. You should have a build orders on each map that takes the reclaimable mass on the level and the raid points into account with what you build. Watch good player's openings.

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 04 Feb 2013, 01:56

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-04T00:40:19+02:00

if you post a replay, people can have a look on it:

i normally post these links:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2089
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2879 (look last page for latest download)
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1614

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 04 Feb 2013, 00:40

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-04T00:07:25+02:00

Don't ignore the little things they can snowball, 5-10 second delay at start due to bad build order/placement allows opponents first 5-6 mex to get 5-10 seconds more mass which just snowballs and 5-10 seconds behind becomes 2-3 minutes by mid game. If you lose early engie that would have built a mex that's another 20-30 seconds of +2 mass lost plus the mass to replace the engie and possible eco problems. Watch the first 3-4 minutes of replays you lost and check for eco stalls , early engies killed , idle engies/acu etc

Statistics: Posted by Rocksteady — 04 Feb 2013, 00:07

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-03T23:00:17+02:00

We are all the noob of someone, no shame in that.

Having an external point of view can help decypher what you can't see

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 03 Feb 2013, 23:00

Re: Watching replays where you have lost; a drag?

2013-02-03T22:58:45+02:00

But I mean in general. I'm past the newbie stage but I just can't stand to watch a replay where I've lost because I know I won't get much out of it.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 03 Feb 2013, 22:58