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Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-09T02:27:08+02:00

Most of the units moved incredibly slowly. They took forever to cross the map. After patch 2 or 3 they doubled the speed of the way stuff moved and the animations still look a bit funky to this day. The commanders seemed more effective.. I remember base swapping happening most of the time on Finns. Everybody just made a beeline for the enemies base. Maybe PD's weren't quite as good versus comms or something. Probably to do with overcharges actually.

Statistics: Posted by BLITZ_Molloy — 09 Feb 2013, 02:27

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-09T01:36:53+02:00

Pathogenic wrote:
Another big difference I notice is the general feel of FA is much more fast paced. For example, tank shots in vanilla were slower and had higher arc, whereas is FA they are much faster with lower arc. Compare the speed of shits coming from a T2 UEF gunship in vanilla versus FA, and the FA gunship shots travel MUCH faster. Vanilla just feels slow and plodding compared to FA.

Gotta love those gunship shits..

Statistics: Posted by jackc12 — 09 Feb 2013, 01:36

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-09T01:52:35+02:00

Another big difference I notice is the general feel of FA is much more fast paced. For example, tank shots in vanilla were slower and had higher arc, whereas is FA they are much faster with lower arc. Compare the speed of shots coming from a T2 UEF gunship in vanilla versus FA, and the FA gunship shots travel MUCH faster. Vanilla just feels slow and plodding compared to FA.

:Edited for unintentional obscene language

Statistics: Posted by Pathogenic — 09 Feb 2013, 01:32

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T22:49:41+02:00

You needed a super computer to run original when it first came out, I remember just zooming in and out was like -10 speed

Statistics: Posted by Rocksteady — 08 Feb 2013, 22:49

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T22:38:01+02:00

ZaphodX wrote:
Mantis were op way way way back at the start when they had really high dps.

As I remember it the only viable strategy was t2 land rush followed by hoplites or mongoose. That was every ranked game you saw. When FA came out there where suddenly so many different ways you could win.

Mongeese and Hoplites? I thought they were added in FA

ZaphodX wrote:
Yeah t1 arty couldn't outrange pd and wasn't really useful for anything.

Comms used to be able to overcharge for like 1000 damage I think. Not many people took advantage of that for some reason.

Mercies used to be very op when they were added, 2400 damage I think? Also had really large fuel!

Eco and turtling used to be very effective, particularly if your opponent didn't know how to effectively counter.

Heh, actually it was infinite damage. I remember that daring commanders used to overcharge experimental units which made things interesting. But I don't see why they have nerfed the overcharge in FA, TA had the D-gun which was more awesome (take out lines of units at a time) and it wasn't considered imba. Again, I didn't realise Mercys were added in original, I thought it was a Forged Alliance unit.

Eukanuba wrote:
The massfabs were hugely different, it was most efficient to stay in your base and build power and (t1) massfabs. This is the main criticism of vanilla but many other things were different too.

I remember that T3 Pgen+T3 mass fabricators were the way to go, don't remember too much about T1 massfabs though. Man those were the days

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 08 Feb 2013, 22:38

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T21:35:48+02:00

The massfabs were hugely different, it was most efficient to stay in your base and build power and (t1) massfabs. This is the main criticism of vanilla but many other things were different too.

Statistics: Posted by Eukanuba — 08 Feb 2013, 21:35

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T20:58:52+02:00

the aeon gun upgrade was more like rapid fire than double rate firing

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 08 Feb 2013, 20:58

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T20:42:18+02:00

Yeah t1 arty couldn't outrange pd and wasn't really useful for anything.

Comms used to be able to overcharge for like 1000 damage I think. Not many people took advantage of that for some reason.

Mercies used to be very op when they were added, 2400 damage I think? Also had really large fuel!

Eco and turtling used to be very effective, particularly if your opponent didn't know how to effectively counter.

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 08 Feb 2013, 20:42

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T20:27:56+02:00

That was in the end phase of Vanilla after some broken patches. You shouldn't apply that to the whole period Vanilla was played. Some things that were done on Vanilla (i.e. t3 harb rush on finns) would have a very hard time today.

If you want to see the difference, you can just play the vanilla mod. (i hope its correct ported) Games on bigger maps took often longer with big massive bases full of massfabs and other structures, completly shielded and t3 arty shooting each other and SCU groups as mobile economy scource i.e.

The much more "epic" experimentals were already mentioned.

Iirc, t1 arty couldn't outrange t1 pd and many many other minor things.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 08 Feb 2013, 20:27

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T20:20:06+02:00

Mantis were op way way way back at the start when they had really high dps.

As I remember it the only viable strategy was t2 land rush followed by hoplites or mongoose. That was every ranked game you saw. When FA came out there where suddenly so many different ways you could win.

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 08 Feb 2013, 20:20

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T20:01:45+02:00

maybe, but i made the experience that people cry OP OP OP every time they get ownd by something

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 08 Feb 2013, 20:01

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T19:54:14+02:00

I remember the Manti were often said to be OP.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 08 Feb 2013, 19:54

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T19:14:15+02:00

ZaphodX wrote:
It was really unbalanced and there was only one viable strategy for 1v1's.

so? i surely was a noob player at this time but i couldnt see any hard op things (again i did not really play it since years)

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 08 Feb 2013, 19:14

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T19:11:50+02:00

I've always thought of it as SupCom was the beta for Forged Alliance. It was really unbalanced and there was only one viable strategy for 1v1's.

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 08 Feb 2013, 19:11

Re: What is the difference between SupCom original and Forge

2013-02-08T19:06:41+02:00

probably esspecially that map controll is more important due the more or less useless FA massfabrikators
also experimentals are more T6 in vanilla and air is kinda different

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 08 Feb 2013, 19:06