Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-26T00:34:46+02:00

Closing this thread. The patch was in test for a month, the forum was there to give feedback, if you didn't do it, it's too late to do it now.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 26 Mar 2013, 00:34

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-26T00:23:30+02:00

So what, a sam can't hit a scout, is it suppose to be a kill all defense that makes you more of a turtle? The sams buffs actually make the game turtle more now then before if their that more effective.

Statistics: Posted by Supreme321 — 26 Mar 2013, 00:23

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-26T00:12:56+02:00

Yes, I think you are over-reacting here.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 26 Mar 2013, 00:12

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-26T00:11:31+02:00

It happens much more because the projectiles hit a little bit earlier than before (due to the small AOE), and on certain trajectories where the plane turns, it results in the fast planes not being hit more than before. But more often than not, fast planes overlap each other, and this results in several being hit at the same time. So it's an indirect buff to a couple of spy planes, but a nerf if you send many. Since the purpose of the change is to counter spam of ASF, it also works for spam of spy planes.

Anyway, ASF still deal with the occasional spy planes very well. If you don't have asf of your own, the opponent has some more seconds to spy on you but i don't think it breaks the game.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 26 Mar 2013, 00:11

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T21:42:21+02:00

!?

How is that a buff to the spy plane Oo

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 25 Mar 2013, 21:42

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T21:41:44+02:00

The other issue is this is a direct buff to the T3 spy plane which was already very good at doing its job. Now the Spy plane has the ability to loiter over sam defenses as well which it did not have in last patch. If you asked people in a poll if you thought the t3 spy plane needed buffing I would be surprised if many answered yes.

Statistics: Posted by Seleucus24 — 25 Mar 2013, 21:41

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T18:05:37+02:00

I'll repeat again, it's about the principle, because as I said, many times the same thing happens with ASF. It's not the fact that it happens at all. It's good that the physics work that way. But after the change it is happening so much more, and not always in a logical fashion.

Statistics: Posted by CocoaMoko — 25 Mar 2013, 18:05

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T17:48:54+02:00

It's Supcom physics, that's all. Spy planes won't kill your base. If the opponent leave them fly in circle, build a few inties, they will kill them. If you can't bear that SAM projectiles can't catch spy planes 50% of the time, play Seraphim, they have the best SAM.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 25 Mar 2013, 17:48

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T17:33:39+02:00

It doesn't get hit even when it's banking/slowing down ahah. Only when it's slowed down massively does it finally die. Whereas it's buddies were killed while they were moving at a fast clip. Consistency is what I'm saying. I'd understand a few missiles not catching up to it, but surviving so many volleys id ridonkuloussss lol.

I said, I totally understand the principle that you're coming from, but you can still have that work without it having THIS much unnecessary survivability. Just tone it down a bit lol

Statistics: Posted by CocoaMoko — 25 Mar 2013, 17:33

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T17:24:05+02:00

Scouts are the fastest unit in the game. It's normal and intented that SAM can't touch them, exactly like flak or T1 can't hit ASF.
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Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 25 Mar 2013, 17:24

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T17:15:45+02:00

Let's look at this replay, around 34:50 just before I died (if you can stand sitting through how boring it is lol). Watch for the grey (or maybe white) scouts that scout my SAM covered base. 2 die, one for like 10 seconds more than it should have aha.

Even with your guys' "explanation" it shouldn't take over 5 volleys to kill 1 scout ahah. Obviously given the fact that it came with 3 other scouts and is fast, it should have still gotten intel from the back of my base, but it's the principle here that so many missiles did nothing heh. And if you pay attention throughout the game, you'll see many other instances where it looks like SAM missiles are hitting, but they do no damage. Of course in certain other cases they are effective too. Consistency?

Statistics: Posted by CocoaMoko — 25 Mar 2013, 17:15

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T17:10:50+02:00

You should try something : make a sandbox game against AI, spawn 150 ASF flying over 5 SAM and tell me how long it takes the SAM to kill the ASF. Then report back.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 25 Mar 2013, 17:10

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T17:06:02+02:00

I thought the theory behind the patch was to make Sams more useful not less. I appreciate the buff to killing t3 bombers and T3 bomber sniping is an annoying aspect of the game, but if Sams cannot stop ASF or spy planes now either it just leads to more ASF spamming which is the exact opposite of what was intended. I'll try to do more testing, but if the window of invulnerability to sams is as big as it was looking we have a serious problem. BTW i swear I noticed UEF cruisers being insane against air, even more so than before. Where other missles changed?

Statistics: Posted by Seleucus24 — 25 Mar 2013, 17:06

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T10:18:27+02:00

Yes, nothing new. SAMs are mostly built to protect from threats, you need a couple ASF patrolling in front of your base to catch up with spy planes and prevent them to spy on you. You should not think that ASF are useless because they have a bit less HP and SAM got a buff against blobs. Most situations with few t3 planes (not blobs) are almost unchanged.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 25 Mar 2013, 10:18

Re: Sams do no dmg!

2013-03-25T10:10:54+02:00

Not immediately.
Same with T1 scout and T1 AA.
But nothing new here.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 25 Mar 2013, 10:10