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Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-26T08:19:55+02:00

BRNKoINSANITY wrote:
The quantifier here is time.... IF you can upgrade fast enough eg some mass in storage and 12+t2 mexes with positive eco building no units, enough mass in storage to just do it, or reclaim, and a ton of engies to get it done ASAP. If you can upgrade it very quickly you do get your invested mass back out faster with the up then cap. If you are upgrade without assistance or with very little, then yeah cap them first.

Not really, there is are no other reasons to go for T3 other than:
1. safety (T3 mex has tons of HP, one T3 mex is usually easier to defend than several T2/T1 mexes)
2. build power (T2 mex has build power too - which you can only use when upgrading it, T3 mex has far higher build speed efficiency)
3. build speed due to engineer path finding

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 26 Apr 2013, 08:19

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-26T06:01:45+02:00

t3 then cap for sure. since it's 9 extra mass for the cap which is half of a new t3 mex for 6 times less the cost. Plus it doesn't use more power once the storage are finished.

Statistics: Posted by Supreme321 — 26 Apr 2013, 06:01

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-26T05:17:57+02:00

I have related question: If you are at T3 and secure two or more additional mass points, is it better to build and cap each T3 mex or build them all, then cap them?

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 26 Apr 2013, 05:17

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-26T03:54:02+02:00

Yea the only maps I've seen fast t3 was on canvis special 4v4, pyramid, 6 leaf-clover, and darozza (the one with several experimentals worth of rock if I don't have the right name).

Statistics: Posted by Supreme321 — 26 Apr 2013, 03:54

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T16:09:35+02:00

Time is an important factor when making this decision. On canis u have enough reclaim to afford the fast t3 mex. But there is the risk that your engeneers get raided. On the other hand it is mutch safer to have that t3 mex in your base rathrr the a lot of capped t2 mexes all over the field. So its a big gamble to pull that off.

Statistics: Posted by laPPen — 25 Apr 2013, 16:09

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T15:21:36+02:00

Well, agreeing with others in general, I would also like to point out that "capping" is a pretty inefficient way to increase your mass income.It can easily cripple your economy if you go on capping t2 mexes, because "this is the right way".You should judge how many mexes you cap and when. "Capping" only becomes a necessity, when expanding is not an option(that is,, you cannot upgrade a t1 or you cannot build a new t1, because you badicaly defend), or your economy cannot sustain a rapid t2->t3 conversion.

An ideal scenario of upgrading directly an uncapped t2 to t3, then cap, would be if in the middle of the battle, your enemy leaves a healthy amount of reclaim in your backyard. Unhindered by mass restraints you could upgrade much faster a t2 than capping 6 t2 mexes. In the same scenario you should even think, if you 're going to upgrade the rest of your mexes, and how many and if you could build pretty fast a surprise experimental.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 25 Apr 2013, 15:21

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T13:27:15+02:00

900*90% / 9 = 90 seconds. but honestly, nobody does that. too much micro for like 400 mass you will save. better use that to send engis on a reclaim mission.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 25 Apr 2013, 13:27

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T13:19:22+02:00

if you have really alot of mass and build power, you can just reclime t2 mex and build t3 instead, if you build it faster then [mass you get from reclime]-[income of reclaimed mex]*[time you spend to build(not upgraide) t3 mex] then you are more efficent... Even if [ ]-[ ]*[ ] = 0 you saved some power anyway because all that time there were no mex working ^^

If you did not understand, note that when you upgraide from t2 to t3, t2 mex disappears to nowhere

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 25 Apr 2013, 13:19

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T04:47:40+02:00

Honestly the time frame is so small on this that it will take a few days to analyse the time threshold that is optimal because the t3 will always beat the t2 capped with time, its just how fast it happens, will it take no time or will it take 10 min, that is what you need to decide before doing this type of upgrade, its just that the capped always provided the most benefit while upgrading because your most likely fighting and you you never have enough mass for a fast t3 upgrade, plus you'd rather make 9 instead of 6 mass while upgrading which can add upto a lot, in 1 min its already 180 more mass then the t2 which almost pays for one of the storages by itself.

Statistics: Posted by Supreme321 — 25 Apr 2013, 04:47

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T04:40:42+02:00

if you have tons of mass, build storage first and upgrade a different capped mass extractor to t3.
if you have tons of mass, it does not matter anyway.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 25 Apr 2013, 04:40

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T03:46:45+02:00

The quantifier here is time.... IF you can upgrade fast enough eg some mass in storage and 12+t2 mexes with positive eco building no units, enough mass in storage to just do it, or reclaim, and a ton of engies to get it done ASAP. If you can upgrade it very quickly you do get your invested mass back out faster with the up then cap. If you are upgrade without assistance or with very little, then yeah cap them first.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 25 Apr 2013, 03:46

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T03:41:01+02:00

its always better to build mass storage before t3 extractors.
if somebody is not doing it, they are making a mistake.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 25 Apr 2013, 03:41

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T03:36:03+02:00

If you are referring to Seton's this is a bad idea. Your eco is so spread out that if you cap after the mass loss from adjacency is greater than the gain from t3 then cap.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 25 Apr 2013, 03:36

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T03:31:10+02:00

Well I'm just used to getting all t2 mex's n then caping them all asap with 2-3 groups of engies before going t3 one at a time.
Shall have to try it the other way I suppose.

Statistics: Posted by A_Naked_Girl — 25 Apr 2013, 03:31

Re: Should you go t3 mex's without capping?

2013-04-25T03:23:56+02:00

so simple, how do people have problems with eco management

/s

Statistics: Posted by Veta — 25 Apr 2013, 03:23