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Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-20T07:39:49+02:00

i meant t3 mobile arty. they all have around the same dps but because it fires so slow (didnt mean high rate of fire) shields can often go up in the time it reloads

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 20 May 2013, 07:39

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-20T05:27:03+02:00

Golol wrote:
asfs are weaker. in my tests aeon ass lost vs all factions, but im not sure about this
t3 arty is bad because of the high fire rate.- Huh? its got the highest dps, its for turtle breaking, not vs units
and even the aurora is not that good. theoretically it owns but many maps dont have big flat areas and you cant kite right into your base.- Its amazing
snipers suck, theyll propably get buffed though.- yeah
but the t2 floating flak and t2 floating shield is not bad. - yeah
t1 arty sucks, only useful against buildings. - thats why its good. Its just used for different things
but still, somehow they are not THAT bad like that list makes it look like. but they definetly need to be buffed

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 20 May 2013, 05:27

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-18T17:02:26+02:00

asfs are weaker. in my tests aeon ass lost vs all factions, but im not sure about this
t3 arty is bad because of the high fire rate.
and even the aurora is not that good. theoretically it owns but many maps dont have big flat areas and you cant kite right into your base.
snipers suck, theyll propably get buffed though.
but the t2 floating flak and t2 floating shield is not bad.
t1 arty sucks, only useful against buildings.
but still, somehow they are not THAT bad like that list makes it look like. but they definetly need to be buffed

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 18 May 2013, 17:02

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-18T15:14:06+02:00

When you compare obsidian vs pillar who kill more striker you rofget on one think what i take many time before: PRICE you must compare 2 pillar vs 1 obsidian thats has same price. and pilar compare vs aurora not striker. 2 pillars take many time more aeon T1 like obsidian UEF T1/cybran/sera thats true. Obsidian cost 2x more like rhino/pillar and on T1 arent better on T2 are quite same.

depth charge bomber are suck, T2 eversongs are suck, blaze is suck as hell, Obsidian is goon but not for that pirce, T1 bomber miss half bombs, Czar is slow and has low HP like cybran T4 gunship when is many time bigger and cost more (why?) harbringer is good but vs perci/brick is suck. 2 from 3 most usefull units need shild -> bonus mass and big problems whitotu energy + dont has normal veterancy bonus, veterancy ignor shild (why?), T2 static flak is suck on all fraction but in aeon its 2time more suck, it has half dmg like all others static (WTF?)

Aeons has most specifick gameplay what can be ridiculus op but only in some situation what in most game dont ocur, then they are insine hard to play and weaker, what make them chalange fraction but in hight rating unplaeble, beacase against good player theyr in 80%+ situation defeat.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 18 May 2013, 15:14

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-16T21:15:58+02:00

SeraphimLeftNut wrote:
Aeon Torpedoes are worthless on current maps in ladder, because of water depth.
http://www.mediafire.com/?bzj53m7mmbmpsmk
also this one: http://faforever.com/faf/vault/replay_v ... ?id=908062

The only strength Aeon have on water are Auroras and that is gone after the T1 stage.

Don't forget seraphim has the same problem.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 16 May 2013, 21:15

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-16T19:00:14+02:00

Aeon Torpedoes are worthless on current maps in ladder, because of water depth.
http://www.mediafire.com/?bzj53m7mmbmpsmk
also this one: http://faforever.com/faf/vault/replay_v ... ?id=908062

The only strength Aeon have on water are Auroras and that is gone after the T1 stage.

Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 16 May 2013, 19:00

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-16T16:33:47+02:00

Nice game Ta and you were unlucky to loose. However, your opponent always had more t3 than you when you engaged. He seemed to always have 5 more T3 since you kept dropping your armies in small groups. That replay shows another thing...how strong aeon are with t2 air which gave you a definite advantage, unfortunately, you were unable to find a knockout blow and due to your transports etc were unable to keep the t2 spam going.

Statistics: Posted by Taffy — 16 May 2013, 16:33

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-16T15:54:20+02:00

http://www.mediafire.com/?685yq9s0cah7l6f
what happens when Aeon tries to go up against another faction's T3

Statistics: Posted by SeraphimLeftNut — 16 May 2013, 15:54

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-16T09:40:42+02:00

Actually, I happen to be an engineer...

An elegant solution gets you a proud feeling, a quick and practical solution gets you a raise

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 16 May 2013, 09:40

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-15T21:28:49+02:00

I did try, and yes, as I said, with faster projectile speed and lesser load times (with longer reload to balance) it does work when units are not straight.
It's just not a very elegant solution. Engineers would shake their heads at us.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 15 May 2013, 21:28

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-15T21:09:20+02:00

Do note that in a realistic situation you will never have a perfectly straight on front.

I would try it with varying formations.

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 15 May 2013, 21:09

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-15T19:40:02+02:00

I beg to differ raghar; go try it in game. It kills 8 strikers, surviving with ~20 hp or dies with the last striker.
Regardless, there is still no reason to make it better against t1.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 15 May 2013, 19:40

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-15T19:05:07+02:00

Well when we are talking numbers then.

HP should be 900.
Shield should be 1800.
ROF 4 - 5 s
Now with lower health (and higher shield) the speed should increase to 3.1 to be the same as light tank speed.
You can do some experiments what would happen with longer range of gun. T1 PD range can work too to some extend.

PsychoBoB wrote:
Increase Rate of Fire to 3 secs 360 damage (from 4 secs 480 damage)

This would kill the viability against experimentals and ACUs.

Increase Shield regeneration rate to 3 (From 2)

I already calculated the shield regeneration rate shouldn't be more than 9, and 4 is completely fine value.

Gorton wrote:
Again, there IS NO REASON TO MAKE IT BETTER VS T1. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, HENCE THE CAPS.
It can ALREADY kill 8 strikers. Try it.

Triangle number 7 is 28 thus with ROF 1 shot per 4 seconds it can survive long enough to kill 7 strikers. One additional because it shots first.

Statistics: Posted by Raghar — 15 May 2013, 19:05

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-15T17:51:50+02:00

Loading time is "MuzzleSalvoDelay". Normally it is set to 0.4 for the Aeon H.tank, I think.
You can set it to 0 and make the speed of the projectile very fast, and it would work (also making reload time 4.4 secs) but still it only works if the tanks are offset from targets.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 15 May 2013, 17:51

Re: Are Aeon slipping behind?

2013-05-15T16:27:28+02:00

Is it possible to charge the Obsidian Weapon before he comes in range? If the first Obsidian would fire asap and the projectile speed is "high enough", then the others wouldn't aim the same target because it's already destroyed.

EDIT: which parameter is the initial load time?

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 15 May 2013, 16:27