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Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-28T03:43:13+02:00

Another thing that people haven't mentioned yet is that aeon t3 air support fac is much cheaper than the other factions. Combined with adjacency to t3 pgens this means that aeon get much cheaper buildpower. I heard this will be fixed in the next patch. Also aeon have the best RAS. Compared to cybran & uef it is not even a discussion since they only have single RAS. Compared to sera they get +2 extra mass but -300 power. If you look at the cost of t3 mex and t3 pgen to create +2 mass or +300 power you'll see that aeon RAS is worth a little more.

Statistics: Posted by Cantor — 28 Nov 2013, 03:43

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-26T02:48:29+02:00

- eng assist/micro is the most efficient (don't ask me details, it just is)
- air production is the most efficient (don't ask me details, it just is)
- double RAS

- swiftwind can become handy
- mercies
- t2 torps imprevious to torp defenses (ok they dont work in shallow waters, but who cares)

- asf are the best with sera (I still prefer sera. yeah you can tell me they should be similar, however after a zillion games on air I insist the feeling is different)
- t3 torps are just freaking awesome
- strats have little AOE but have the biggest dps (if i remember correctly)
- Restorers can become handy in *some* situations. You see people spamming them to death, don't do like them, it's retarded, but in some situations they can swing the tide against navy mostly

- eye
- scu have tele and ras

- shields are very good

- flaks are hover (can become handy if you lose air sup massively)

- para in case the game turns into a dead end

No other faction has so many good points related to a air game. The best players can't be all retarded and if they choose aeon it's for a reason !

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 26 Nov 2013, 02:48

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-26T02:00:59+02:00

I heard Gyle say something about that when I first found his channel.
I play Cybran because of the back-story and the stealth'd units ( And the red lazer beams ).

I found if you can position the Gemini just right ( And it's really not that hard if you're paying attention ), I could take out much of the opposing ASF force before they can turn in and kill yours. I don't remember which replay ( We lost anyway ), but I kept my ASF's as far as I could from a force twice my size and made sure my planes slowed way down because of the missle weapon firing time, to deliver maximum damage.
My planes shot down half the other players' ASF blob before he reacted. I believe part of the reason that happened ( because I know the ASF patrol AI would have engaged me long before the opposing player reacted ) was because I was out of their radar from the stealth function.

I keel forgetting my favorite faction has stealth : P

Anyways, that's my two or three cents.
-Nihk

Statistics: Posted by Nihkaeda07 — 26 Nov 2013, 02:00

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-26T00:14:26+02:00

If you sandbox with cybran asf you have to try it two ways..... if you have heavily micro'd blobs then yes cybran loses hard to the other three factions. However, if asf are just meeting eg attack move or on patrol, the cybran asf are WAY better, and win massively 100% of the time. Also, when eliminating combat units like a swarm of torp bombers or gunships, you will find that cybran will seek and destroy faster. Also, a lot of times if you are doing this over enemy aa your asf will survive as a group longer because flashing in and out of radar breaks up the fire pattern of ground/naval based AA.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 26 Nov 2013, 00:14

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T23:21:02+02:00

SAKO_X wrote:
-_V_- wrote:cybran asf are shit compared to aeon asf. Should we go on , really ? If you don't believe, no need for explanation let's test together in a sandbox game.
And the stealth ...
overkill

This (and slowness)

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 25 Nov 2013, 23:21

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T20:48:33+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
cybran asf are shit compared to aeon asf. Should we go on , really ? If you don't believe, no need for explanation let's test together in a sandbox game.
And the stealth ...

this.
i think this is because cybran asf overkill too much:
when they fire and kill something their missiles self destruct, and disappear.
when any other asf kill something, their bullets continue flying and kill more asf, reducing overkill.
maybe I'm wrong about the other asf, but I'm sure this happens with cybran, maybe let their missiles continue flying after killing a target?

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 25 Nov 2013, 20:48

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T20:11:54+02:00

cybran asf are shit compared to aeon asf. Should we go on , really ? If you don't believe, no need for explanation let's test together in a sandbox game.
And the stealth ...

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 25 Nov 2013, 20:11

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T18:11:18+02:00

The Cybran stealth is a nice thing, but a well placed omni sensor can eliminate that effect. Think of field of Isis (t3 can appear there), an omni sensor in your own base will cover half the map (and you usually have visual on a quarter as well).

On a map like Roanoke, omni covers a large area around your island. At any rate, the Cybran stealth loses it's effect when the air attacks, but it is more useful for defending. If you wanted to do a strat bomber snipe, the omni sensor range is just large enough for the opponent to react.

The aeon air is more effective because of the solace, restorers and the best strat bomber in the game (high damage and low AoE). while it is not as useful on unit blobs, it's ability to more easily kill something in a snipe (you need less to kill it so with an equal number of bombers you can afford to lose one or two).

The best part of the aeon air is probably the t2 fighter. Get some and you can own t1 fighter in with those and your own t1 fighters at first and keep the early t3 fighter at bay.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 25 Nov 2013, 18:11

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T18:39:29+02:00

Aeon is touted as being an air dominance faction. However, this comes primarily from the vulnerability of their ground forces to air attack. Aeon forces therefore tend to be employed in the air role as creatures of habit. Other factions have their own capabilities which they are able to bring to the air dominance role. For instance, the UEF is able to field a more heavily front loaded ASF and the Broadsword gunship, which is a much more capable air to ground option than the Restorer.

Considering Aeon vs Cybran.
- The Aeon ACU has an advanced RAS upgrade. Which makes it easier to transition into the T3 power phase for ASF spam.
- The Swiftwind is a good lead in protection fighter. They are more effective at taking down bombers, gunships and transports. They can chase down a Strat bomber
- The Mercy is a good snipe option.
- The Restorer aids in air dominace while also being used as a ground attack platform.
- The Corona (although it doesn't have stealth) has superior DPS and HP stats to the Cybran ASF.
- The Solace is a much better option for fleet support.
- The Aeon SCU can teleport.
- The Eye of Rianne is a much more convenient option for scouting. It can defeat stealth without you knowing.
Should to air player take up nuclear options. The Eye will allow an Aeon player to locate a vunerable base without drawing attention. The Aeon don't need to use overt scouting methods. The Eye can also locate your ASF marshalling area so the player will know how many planes you have.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 25 Nov 2013, 18:00

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T17:41:33+02:00

well cybran asf have lowest HP and their slow firerate overkills to much.
As much as i would like to use cybran for air i have to choose Aeon just because of the useless cybran asf, the weak cybran strats (cant even kill t2 mexin one pass) and the more than useless t3 gunships of them (to expensive / high buildtime) its way better get multiple SR in that case.

Aeon on the other hand has usefull asf / swiftwinds wich pwn any other t2 air / can even catch early strats. while all other factions hardly can stop a early strat. than the awesoem restos spam wich gives awesoem AA + nice protection agaisnt land. aeon strats are also stronger than cybran. and sure the t3 torpedo bomber can deal significant damage to any navy force.

and well stealth is just half as usefull. mostly on the late t3 air stages when both sieds have 100+ asf up, there will be constant streams from t1 air scauts all over the map. and omnis will be placed somewhere in the mid.
That will take away any advantage stealth has in the air figt.

ps: Aeon air facs have lower roll off times than cybrna and also their t1 bombers are better. if you micro cybran t1 bomber the kinda spread their bombs around without hitting anything while with aeon you can hover over pgens/engis way easier.

+ what ZLO said

Statistics: Posted by Mr-Smith — 25 Nov 2013, 17:41

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T17:44:49+02:00

Lets see
t1 air is ok and have no weakneses
on t2
air you have swift winds, gunships are not good but ok, mercies are nice on late game against exps, aeon t2 trans pretty much suck
on t3
they have t3 bomber with most damage but least splash, decent ASF (just like sera and uef, cyb seems to be a little weaker)
scouts/bombers/asf do not have stealth and restorers + t3 torp bombers are really good against navy, that is why aeon are in the back on setons games

also do not forget about double RAS, and floating flack, and good buffed t3 engyes (like 40 build power)
also in late game you can make teleport coms and salvation and parafon xD

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 25 Nov 2013, 17:37

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T17:23:51+02:00

Advanced RAS.
Restorers.
Swift Wings(T-2 air).
Solances.
Czar.

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 25 Nov 2013, 17:23

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T15:53:26+02:00

Solaces and Restorers are the main reason, they are very useful, however I also prefer cybran for a different reason, Corsairs, the T2 fighter/bombers (remember I'm a low ranked player atm so I'm playing lower ranked players) I've often found using their hellfire missiles (ground attack) on hoards of enemy troops to be very effective due to aoe and if you get enough you can easily snipe a player like I did yesterday.
The reason I put the reminder I'm a low rank is because lower ranked players often don't expect snipe which is becoming my specialty now lol so they don't have as much flak around whereas most higher rank players will have a substantial air force and also plenty of AA vehicle's and Static flak plus multiple overlapping shields.

Statistics: Posted by Deafening Milk — 25 Nov 2013, 15:53

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T13:50:37+02:00

Don't forget Solace's, being able to sink a cruiser in one pass is very useful and they are very good for naval support

Also just note that I have no idea what I'm talking about but as far as I know the gun based planes generally do better with micro'd blobs

Statistics: Posted by Deering — 25 Nov 2013, 13:50

Re: Why is Aeon the best air?

2013-11-25T11:26:48+02:00

As a newbie I can only assume things, but going from YouTube cast's and replays, I still would say it comes down to Restorers. Not because they are OP, but more because they are a very versatile unit. They do quite decent air to ground damage, and their AA is a massive bonus. You dont get them for their AA alone, but their AA is what makes them worth it so to speak.
At my level of play (I play Cybran too by the way), I would assume stealth is much more potent because low level players do not have the same map awareness of a pro. On a pro-level you see them actively scouting the map and analyzing their enemies, which makes ASFs and strategic bombers much harder to hide. In this case it would seem that a special unit such as the Restorer is more 'worth your time.'

P.S Is it just me that thinks the Restorer is an odd Aeon unit? Its very versatile, while all Aeon doctorine is high specialization and being unable to do anything else.

Statistics: Posted by NodCommander — 25 Nov 2013, 11:26