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Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T21:28:22+02:00

McGeifer wrote:
Why not disable the adjacency bonus for the Quantum Gate? this will fix all problems at once. The SCU presets are really usefull but the solution now feels half-baked.

If this is possible i think this would be a good solution. The cost of the SCUs are lowered already a lot and for the updates there is no need for any bonus.

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 17 Feb 2014, 21:28

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T16:17:23+02:00

Why not disable the adjacency bonus for the Quantum Gate? this will fix all problems at once. The SCU presets are really usefull but the solution now feels half-baked.

Statistics: Posted by McGeifer — 17 Feb 2014, 16:17

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T14:38:00+02:00

I uploaded GAZ_UI v9 in vault ...
No idea what happen to the icon ...

repo:
https://github.com/IDragonfire/GAZ_UI

Statistics: Posted by Dragonfire — 17 Feb 2014, 14:38

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T13:54:27+02:00

You can edit manualy the Game.prefs for this mod.

Statistics: Posted by Xinnony — 17 Feb 2014, 13:54

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T13:55:15+02:00

errorblankfield wrote:
^Same

I fixed it:
https://github.com/IDragonfire/GAZ_UI/c ... 6ad180e314

No idea if the fix has any sideeffects xD

Statistics: Posted by Dragonfire — 17 Feb 2014, 13:52

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T13:48:38+02:00

^Same

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 17 Feb 2014, 13:48

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T13:17:29+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
Oh really? Cool, but how on earth does it work? The description I found seems to no longer be true. I mean, at least I don't have thoese buttons he is talking about.

Edit: Never mind, I chekced spawning an SCU that was not the same faction as my ACU, which caused teh icons notto appear.

Cool,
but I can only select Aeon
I disabled ALL mods ...

Statistics: Posted by Dragonfire — 17 Feb 2014, 13:17

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T03:23:07+02:00

GAZ UI or the SCU Upgrade Manager Mods, can be fully customised to tailor SCU upgrades to your exact specifications. For the economic support SCU you could go for RAS alone. Or RAS + engineering. Or RAS + engineer. Or RAS + Sensor + Jammer. Or RAS + Engineering + Missile. Or RAS + Engineering + Regen. Combat could be: Gun + Gun + Shield Gen. Or Gun + engineering + Shield. Or Gun + Sacrifice + Shield. Or Gun + engineering + teleport. Or Missile + engineering + teleport.

I will sometimes find myself altering these pre-sets with exactly the sort of SCU I need to deal with the current situation.

I can see why adjacency could be an issue for quantum gates. I had not considered this before... Also, another minor bug is that the Pre-set SCU's don't have access to the Build Mode hotkeys. For this reason I am more inclined to upgrade my builder SCU's from the base model anyway.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 17 Feb 2014, 03:23

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T02:45:23+02:00

Those tiny buttons on the right will always spawn if you have an idle un upgraded SCU. If one starts upgrading and cancels that won't count. You can tell by whether or not it has the symbol over the unit picture when you select it.

Statistics: Posted by Icy — 17 Feb 2014, 02:45

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T01:17:00+02:00

Oh really? Cool, but how on earth does it work? The description I found seems to no longer be true. I mean, at least I don't have thoese buttons he is talking about.

Edit: Never mind, I chekced spawning an SCU that was not the same faction as my ACU, which caused teh icons notto appear.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 17 Feb 2014, 01:17

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-17T00:12:19+02:00

You can already select what upgrades each beacon gives and in what order the upgrades happen in GAZ UI. This feature was in the SCU manager mod even before it got integrated into GAZ. I can make the engineering beacon give only ras, every single upgrade available, or anything in between. For ex, my Aeon engineer beacon gives just ras, but Cybran beacon gives ras then sam backpack, and UEF combat upgrade does ras then double shield.

Statistics: Posted by Icy — 17 Feb 2014, 00:12

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-16T14:49:59+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
Anyway, here is another solution: Some mod, I guess GAZ UI gives you SCU upgrade markers. 2 of them - combat and engineer. Engineer upgrade includes RAS as second upgrade. How about extending on that feature and making a marker for every upgrade, but at one specifically for least RAS. So you can place that marker at your gateway rally point and SCUs upgrade RAS automatically, without the other upgrades that you don't want. Or, in case we had a marker for every upgrade, any specific upgrade, without other unwanted ones. Would that be feasible?

Maybe we should modfied the GAZ UI, before Zep integrate it into FAF ...

Statistics: Posted by Dragonfire — 16 Feb 2014, 14:49

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-16T14:41:56+02:00

No, not cybran ones. They were 50/50 cybran rambo and Anti Air SCUs.

Anyway, here is another solution: Some mod, I guess GAZ UI gives you SCU upgrade markers. 2 of them - combat and engineer. Engineer upgrade includes RAS as second upgrade. How about extending on that feature and making a marker for every upgrade, but at one specifically for least RAS. So you can place that marker at your gateway rally point and SCUs upgrade RAS automatically, without the other upgrades that you don't want. Or, in case we had a marker for every upgrade, any specific upgrade, without other unwanted ones. Would that be feasible?

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 16 Feb 2014, 14:41

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-16T14:32:34+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
Deliberately making something less accessible through UI than something else, just because it does not fits one's own idea of ideal gameplay is kinda questionable. And also, I almost never use SCUs because I can't be bothered to fiddle with the upgrading. If you really wanted to make SCUs more useful for combat you shpould get rid of the death nuke damage, wich makes them become instable when used in masses. Just yesterday I played a game where I attacked with 50 SCUs (50, yes) and lost most of them through death nuke damage.

SCU are not equal in terms of RAS. Sera have none, same for Teleporter ability (Aeon and Sera exclusive). Adjacency with t3 pgen and mass extractors make SCU RAS presets and SCU teleporter presets much easier and cheaper to get than individual upgrades. To put it simply : it's not balanced to have them. On the other hand, increasing the price so that it's still fair with adjancency is unfair for people who wants to upgrade a SCU they bought before and intends to specialize later. These are the reasons why RAS and teleporter presets were not included.

As for the 1000 damages death nuke, it also ensures tha SCU leave no wreck after they are killed, which is very good, and you can send them in when you know they will die anyway. SCU are not meant to be used by armies of 50 like any t3 units. It's better to have 10 of them with powerful upgrades than 50 unupgraded ones. And upgraded SCU just laugh at 1000 damages.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 16 Feb 2014, 14:32

Re: RAS SCU preset?

2014-02-16T13:58:58+02:00

Deliberately making something less accessible through UI than something else, just because it does not fits one's own idea of ideal gameplay is kinda questionable. And also, I almost never use SCUs because I can't be bothered to fiddle with the upgrading. If you really wanted to make SCUs more useful for combat you shpould get rid of the death nuke damage, wich makes them become instable when used in masses. Just yesterday I played a game where I attacked with 50 SCUs (50, yes) and lost most of them through death nuke damage.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 16 Feb 2014, 13:58