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Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-03T20:48:50+02:00

Sometimes you need to issue constant move orders to make them ignore the script, but sometimes they just travel offmap without any additional user input.

Also what I demonstrated with the gunships at the island can happen completely unintentional and there is no way to shoot the gunship down..

I wonder if it would be possible to trick the air units into thinking that there is a mountain of infinite hight at the border of the map so they act according to that and fly higher and higher, but never cross the border. It does not seem possible to trick that mechanic..

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 03 Mar 2014, 20:48

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-03T10:06:54+02:00

They shouldn't behave like that.

When an unit has a attack order, the script allow them to stay offmap for an amount of time depending of their speed.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 03 Mar 2014, 10:06

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-03T09:47:15+02:00

Well, I don't know if it really belongs there. It is not only about fixing a bug but also deciding what units should do when they reach the map border due to an attack command (stopping near the border and sticking to it as if they have been glued there isn't so cool either).

Anyhow, here is some short replay that should illustrate the problem...

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 03 Mar 2014, 09:47

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-03T09:22:06+02:00

If there is a bug, it need to be reported (with a very small sandbox replay replicating it) in the tech forum so it can be fixed.

It's probably trivial to change if I was aware of it in the first place.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 03 Mar 2014, 09:22

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-03T01:04:03+02:00

Well, I don't like how it is now. When you have T3 bombers bombing the island on Seton's they are almost guaranteed to go offmap and then they will stop when re-entering the map (you don't have to stop them manually).

I also had a single enemy jester gunship killing 2 t2 mexes on the island and there was nothing I could have done to stop it, AA won't shoot, interceptors won't attack.

If you wanna be really lame you can take an Ahwassa and offmap it right into the enemy base.

At that point I would prefer to revert offmapping to how it was at GPG-Net so at least there won't be any non desired interference with the offmap-prevention-script and there could be gentlemen agreements to not offmap intentionally. As it kinda is now, people rarely intentionally utilize offmapping to its full potential (else we would see Ahwassas offmaping to a point across the entire map).

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 03 Mar 2014, 01:04

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-03T00:02:11+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
But for a compeltely different reason. Also, vale of isis got border areas. I don't understand your post.^^

I think he means spawn/main base placement where most of the bombs are occuring

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 03 Mar 2014, 00:02

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T21:09:52+02:00

But for a compeltely different reason. Also, vale of isis got border areas. I don't understand your post.^^

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 02 Mar 2014, 21:09

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T20:58:19+02:00

But maps like GapOfRohan and Vale of Isis for example are by far the worst

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 02 Mar 2014, 20:58

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T20:56:32+02:00

If you want to keep the playable area separated from the map borders you need a ring f impassable terrain around the map. That can be water in some cases, which is fine, if you want a water bases map. But in other cases you need a ring of mountainous/ hilly terrain. Though then every land based map would need a ring of mountains around it which would be horrible from a variety point of view. Saying every map that features no border area is badly desgined is kinda questionable. Especially given the great number of established ladder maps that don't.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 02 Mar 2014, 20:56

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T19:34:35+02:00

The point is that a well-designed map wouldn't make that kind of base placement even desirable/possible. Look at (shudder) Setons, for example? How many bases do you see built on the edge of the map there? None, because you can't.

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 02 Mar 2014, 19:34

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T18:41:24+02:00

ZLO_RD wrote:
omg it is rohan... place base AS CLOSE TO MAP BORDER AS YOU CAN, then complain about offmap, epic map design

On that mapsize you kinda have to if you don't want main bases in TML range..

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 02 Mar 2014, 18:41

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T16:21:38+02:00

Aulex wrote:
the bomber is going off map for its normal turn which is fine but he stops it right as it gets on map, so technically he's not exploiting anything, he's just got really good timing. Also the second time it's just an attack command, you guys should really watch the replay from Carly's (pink guy's) perspective, you get to see all the commands. Also the two bombers at the end it looks like he screwed up his micro, i don't think he purposely flew them off map.

^He's right you know^

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 02 Mar 2014, 16:21

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T11:11:22+02:00

omg it is rohan... place base AS CLOSE TO MAP BORDER AS YOU CAN, then complain about offmap, epic map design

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 02 Mar 2014, 11:11

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T10:57:26+02:00

the bomber is going off map for its normal turn which is fine but he stops it right as it gets on map, so technically he's not exploiting anything, he's just got really good timing. Also the second time it's just an attack command, you guys should really watch the replay from Carly's (pink guy's) perspective, you get to see all the commands. Also the two bombers at the end it looks like he screwed up his micro, i don't think he purposely flew them off map.

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 02 Mar 2014, 10:57

Re: Exploit - Bombers off screen - new trick

2014-03-02T10:43:56+02:00

I thought we fixed offmapping a while back. How is he doing this?

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 02 Mar 2014, 10:43