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Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-09T13:29:48+02:00

Thanks wolf, I'll take a look. Not promising any changes if everything is working though.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 09 Jun 2014, 13:29

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-09T08:14:36+02:00

Aeon t3 torp bombers are about the best unit in the game. They deploy their weapon sooner than a strat bomber, the toros can't be evaded and the torp bomber can easily survive a cruiser because of its hp and the insta kill damage it does to the cruiser in return.

When those are down, you can attack other ships at your leisure.

You can have 5 torp Bombers for one battleship (depending on the faction, you then have 250 mass less or 750 mass more). 5 kill a battleship in 3 runs. How's it looking now?

EDIT: I have just checked how the Aeon Battleship performs against a group of static TMLs. The first missiles do not get distracted, how many that are depends on the direction of the battleship. This is indeed not the behavious you'd expect.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 09 Jun 2014, 08:14

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T22:25:51+02:00

So... is it bugged, and not working like all other Aeon TMD, or is it just too slow to stop rapid fire, normal for Aeon TMD. Someone hit it with 30 TML at once and tell me what happens.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Jun 2014, 22:25

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T21:57:51+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
Nowhere to escape from Aeon T3 torp planes either...

its silly.... t3 torp has to make 13 attacks to kill battleship. It would be great if it survive for 2 attacks

Statistics: Posted by Qeeet — 08 Jun 2014, 21:57

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T21:47:36+02:00

Nowhere to escape from Aeon T3 torp planes either...

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 08 Jun 2014, 21:47

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T19:14:31+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
Yeah yeah... for once Aeon is not the best in something and we get instant demands for a cut in costs !? No way! Just the increased speed of the battleship means it doesn't deserve a price cut.

I think nothing will change since it has 100 range. On seton's when you are pressed by other fraction battleships (128 or 150 range), there is nowhere to escape with that 3.6 speed.
uef battleship if placed on center of the sea, it covers almost all the sea

Statistics: Posted by Qeeet — 08 Jun 2014, 19:14

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T17:58:35+02:00

Yeah yeah... for once Aeon is not the best in something and we get instant demands for a cut in costs !? No way! Just the increased speed of the battleship means it doesn't deserve a price cut.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 08 Jun 2014, 17:58

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T15:07:41+02:00

Plasma_Wolf wrote:
I've done a quick test. In this test, 40% of the missiles are stopped. The sequence is HHMHM (It could be HMHMH, depending on when you start counting, I started at some point in the battle).

confirm HHMHM only in the case when cruiser located on side (left or right) from battleship
I tested in case when cruiser located straight in front or back from battleship. I'm getting this: MHHHH

Statistics: Posted by Qeeet — 08 Jun 2014, 15:07

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T14:49:23+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
Plasma_Wolf wrote:I think the TMD is the least important thing on a Battleship.

^ This

I can't believe that we are entering into a balance discussion on perhaps one of the least important functional aspects of the Battleship. Though, if the OP is determined to follow this line. I would say that the Omen Class TMD is far superior to that of any other Battleship. Because, it can decoy any number of missiles in the first volley. Which greatly reduces the effectiveness of shore based TML Batteries.

I have just checked battleship vs 5 tml. Only one missile was sucked into the bubble

Statistics: Posted by Qeeet — 08 Jun 2014, 14:49

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T14:42:59+02:00

I've done a quick test. In this test, 40% of the missiles are stopped. The sequence is HHMHM (It could be HMHMH, depending on when you start counting, I started at some point in the battle). This tells two things:

Whether the missiles hit or miss depends on the relative positions of the ships and the statement that the anti-missile system doesn't work as intended is questionable. Perhaps that the second H should be an M, because the flare was released just before the missile hit. But in turn, the third missile whereas it would hit if the second missed because of the flare.

Regardless, if the anti-missile system actually is bugged, then a fix is required before balance is discussed.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 08 Jun 2014, 14:42

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T13:51:05+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
Plasma_Wolf wrote:I think the TMD is the least important thing on a Battleship.

^ This

I can't believe that we are entering into a balance discussion on perhaps one of the least important functional aspects of the Battleship. Though, if the OP is determined to follow this line. I would say that the Omen Class TMD is far superior to that of any other Battleship. Because, it can decoy any number of missiles in the first volley. Which greatly reduces the effectiveness of shore based TML Batteries.

Read OP please, it is broken it won't decoy any number of missiles in first volley, really annoying if people snipe your battleship with few tml when you're not moving it.

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 08 Jun 2014, 13:51

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T12:42:50+02:00

Plasma_Wolf wrote:
I think the TMD is the least important thing on a Battleship.

^ This

I can't believe that we are entering into a balance discussion on perhaps one of the least important functional aspects of the Battleship. Though, if the OP is determined to follow this line. I would say that the Omen Class TMD is far superior to that of any other Battleship. Because, it can decoy any number of missiles in the first volley. Which greatly reduces the effectiveness of shore based TML Batteries.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 08 Jun 2014, 12:42

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T12:20:47+02:00

I think the TMD is the least important thing on a Battleship. The things are mobile and if the units are being attacked by a cruiser, you do have the time to move them out of the way. In a larger battle, where the battleship has to be stationary, I'd just have a cruiser nearby. The Aeon TMD also begins to shine when there are more enemy cruisers. Against one cruiser, one in 5 missiles is distracted? This will be the same for 10 cruisers. Still a 20% takedown. How does it look for one battleship of another faction against 10 cruisers?

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 08 Jun 2014, 12:20

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-08T01:38:32+02:00

or compromis 8500mass if not 8000

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 08 Jun 2014, 01:38

Re: AEON T3 Battleship: Will O Wisp Anti Missile

2014-06-07T23:40:53+02:00

Actually battleships costs 9k mass, except cybran. Its 8k mass.
I'd like to rise question about lowering mass cost of aeon battleship to 8k.
It possesses ~510 dps. Cybran: 500. UEF: 450. Sera: 450.
It possesses 100 u. range. Cybran: 128. UEF: 150. Sera: 128.
It possesses 3.6 speed. Cybran: 3. UEF: 2.5. Sera: 3.
Other qualities seem to be similar or close, except of cause sera nuke ability, and aeon tmd (its really very bad).
Personally, I never play naval aeon by now at least. And you probably do so
Any thoughts?

Statistics: Posted by Qeeet — 07 Jun 2014, 23:40