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Re: FA in 4K?

2014-08-03T11:49:27+02:00

Ionic wrote:
I agree, the 4k displays look at least 1.5x as good as an equally good screen that is only 1080p. BUT, I would not buy one for at least 3-4 years, due to the price, content, and early adopter problems that usually occur. Plasmas still make the best looking TV's for watching movies, especially scfi with a lot of dark scenes.

Resolution is just that (or actually DPI is what is important). It only looks sharper if you have more of 'em, nothing more. Everything else is because the panel is better in other ways (and that has nothing to do with 4k) like contrast, wider viewing angle etc. And even then if you go watch a TV in a store it's mostly illusion (brightness and contrast settings you would never use in regular lighting making it look more vibrant).

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 03 Aug 2014, 11:49

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-08-01T02:12:59+02:00

I agree, the 4k displays look at least 1.5x as good as an equally good screen that is only 1080p. BUT, I would not buy one for at least 3-4 years, due to the price, content, and early adopter problems that usually occur. Plasmas still make the best looking TV's for watching movies, especially scfi with a lot of dark scenes.

Statistics: Posted by Ionic — 01 Aug 2014, 02:12

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-08-01T00:48:05+02:00

BRNK, I guess you took that "up close" way too literally. I DID try viewing it from a normal distance... and it looked better than 1080p ones.

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 01 Aug 2014, 00:48

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-31T23:16:11+02:00

@da_monstr, exactly..... "seen a 4K tv up close." You don't sit on top of a tv. You sit about 8 feet away from it on your couch. From that distance you may notice the slightly better contrast of colors, but as for pixels you literally will not be able to tell the difference between a 1080p and a 4k display. If you go stick your face directly in it, of course you can see the difference! That is not, however, how you actually use it

That is TVs though.... my application to computers was that right now the screen itself is so damn expensive, and then on top of that the monster of a graphics card(s) you have to buy...... it is not worth it until the price on everything goes down in a couple years.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 31 Jul 2014, 23:16

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-31T18:06:32+02:00

Poch wrote:
You are right Brink.

The worst is for TVs ^^ Most people sit around 3 meters (10 feet) away from their TVs, and at this distance you already need a 70" diagonal to see the difference between 720P and 1080P.

You mean 50"?

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 31 Jul 2014, 18:06

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-31T17:33:23+02:00

Well 4K TV (for the most part) are still new generation displays. So better contrast, colours, and so on and so on
Even if we can't enjoy every pixel of the definition better TV is still better TV

Statistics: Posted by Poch — 31 Jul 2014, 17:33

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-31T15:38:23+02:00

Have you guys seen a 4K TV up close yet? Because I have and it really looks apart!

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 31 Jul 2014, 15:38

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-31T10:15:28+02:00

You are right Brink.

The worst is for TVs ^^ Most people sit around 3 meters (10 feet) away from their TVs, and at this distance you already need a 70" diagonal to see the difference between 720P and 1080P. For 4K you get the ridiculous size of 160" if you extrapolate the graph... lol

As i understand this it's the required screen size to be able to read say a text written in 10 pixel font without trouble like there is on most classical PC interfaces.

But you can see that for computer if you are 50 cm away from the screen, you can already see all the details at 30"-35". Sounds like a the max reasonable screen for a desktop but it's not crazy ! I would'nt like to work on a screen like that, but playing FA sure

Statistics: Posted by Poch — 31 Jul 2014, 10:15

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-31T06:56:04+02:00

^This is my biggest problem with 4k screens. It is 90% marketing ploy. 4k TVs are COMPLETELY pointless, because from 6-8 feet away on the couch or wherever, the human eye is incapable of registering the detail given by a 4k display. It is basically wasted pixels. This is only slightly true for a PC monitor, because obviously you are only sitting like 2-3 feet from that, but still there will not by much difference that you can tell between a really good HD display and a 4k display unless you are practically sitting right up next to the monitor.

The only place I see 4k making a huge difference is on small devices like smart phones and tablets. Those are right in your face most of the time and they benefit from the higher resolution.

I may be totally wrong in this opinion, but it is mine

To me, the lack of content in 4k in addition to incredibly high cost per performance increase makes the purchase of a 4k display a total waste of money at this point. I plan to wait a couple years for #1 the price to come down, #2 the hardware and storage to catch up, and #3 there to be more content available in that resolution before I buy.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 31 Jul 2014, 06:56

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-31T04:28:31+02:00

That's because some people think they need a constant 60 fps. While I want that too if I play a first person shooter -where there is a big difference between a 16.7 ms old image and a 33 ms old image-, I don't particularly care that a late-game setons goes down to 30 fps. Your ACU won't blow up all of a sudden because you were 17 ms too late to see something coming.

As for UI unusable: if you get that 4K at 28"; yes. But if you get 4K at a size of ~46" that problem would be mostly gone. But there we have it already: if the UI becomes too small, it means all the added information by the additional pixels is mostly "wasted" in the sense that it's too small to see.

With 28" 3840x2160 you get a pixelpitch of 0,161 mm = 0,0259 mm^2
With 30" 2560x1600 you get a pixelpitch of 0,252 mm = 0,0635 mm^2

So every pixels gets 60% smaller in area.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 31 Jul 2014, 04:28

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-30T09:55:01+02:00

Hi,

Interesting feedback about "UI unusable". I was just expecting the opposite
Is it possible to have some snapshot?
BTW, I'm a bit confused, according to E8400-CV, a GTX570 is OK to run at 50% of 4K but according to IceDreamer a far better configuration (more than 2x) is not enough to handle 4K.

Cheers,
Jean

Statistics: Posted by JeanLu — 30 Jul 2014, 09:55

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-30T00:30:21+02:00

As one of the only guys here to have seen it first-hand, I don't recommend getting 4K for gaming with anything less than SLI GTX 780Ti duo. My mate has that setup, and running FA (Steam version) at 4K made the UI unusable (Too small, common 4K problem is a lack of scaling) and was struggling to push 60FPS with everything maxed and AA off. His CPU is a water-cooled 4770K running at 5.3GHz, so this is just about as fast a system as one can buy at present.

That same setup chokes down to 30FPS running most modern games at high/very high settings. Basically, we need to wait for the next generation. The rumour-mills are pointing at a 30-50% increase in sheer horsepower from both AMD and NVidia for next generation (I assume the big jump is because they want to push 4K) as well as faster memory interfaces and 12GB video RAM, so I'd wait.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 30 Jul 2014, 00:30

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-28T16:47:33+02:00

My GTX 570 / 2500K system runs 2560x1600 (half the pixels of that "4K") fine. But my GTX 285 / E8400 (@3,6) sometimes goes down to 6 fps..

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 28 Jul 2014, 16:47

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-28T14:54:51+02:00

Sheeo wrote:
I'm going to buy a 4K display pretty soon, so I'll tell you if it runs all right with my GTX 670.

Nvidia recommends 780's in SLI for 4k gaming--but waiting for the 800 series is probably a good call.

I own the same video card. So i'm realy interessted too and i would also wait for the 800 series. My tip would be that the 670 can manage it without aa.

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 28 Jul 2014, 14:54

Re: FA in 4K?

2014-07-27T23:39:11+02:00

Great!
Just tell us your feedback then !

Statistics: Posted by JeanLu — 27 Jul 2014, 23:39