Neutrino wrote:
On topic, why would anyone want to mount a hit and run attack on a radar with a scout instead of some LABs? .
Anyone who drove a scout to that location but does not have LABs over there would want to do this. Considering that scouts often drive ahead of LABs (if the player is even using LABs to raid in the first place) a scout encountering a forward radar is actually fairly common. It's not like you send the scout specifically to destroy radars, the scout can destroy the undefended radars you encounter.
Neutrino wrote:
And since a T1 radar can be rebuilt in about 5 seconds anyway you don't have much of a window in which to get anything done if you pull it off.
Radars cannot be rebuilt in five seconds if the engineer that built it has moved away to do other things or been destroyed. It is common for radars to be built beyond the borders of your base, where there is not always an engineer on hand to rebuild it immediately. And considering that even five seconds or less can be enough time for undetected raiders to evade intercepting units, you don't need much of a window anyway.
Neutrino wrote:
Does this constitute an important enough tactic that it warrents a key intel structure like radar having such low hp that it is destroyed by a T1 scout plane being shot down nearby?
This has already been addressed already, (here, among other posts) so I'll just add this: EVERY tactic you can possibly use is important in the situation where you would use it. The current balance is what it is, and players play accordingly. You can take away or drastically reduce the viability of tactical options if you like, but why? And where do you stop?
Neutrino wrote:
Currently radars have 10/50/100hp (T1/T2/T3) which is so little that they can be downed in under 1 second by a single light combat unit of the equivalant tech level.
So? How long is it supposed to take? Why is it supposed to take that long? You provide this number, but fail to give it any meaning.
Neutrino wrote:
Most non-experimental air crashes do 100hp damage, except T1 Scout 10hp, T1 Inty 25hp, ASFs 200hp and Strat Bombers 500hp.
I can acknowledge that you have a fixation on the air crash issue, but I have an incredibly hard time believing that you have radars destroyed by air crashes so often that it's a balance issue. If you can provide us with as few as five replays where it has affected you I will believe you.
Neutrino wrote:
If all radars could be given at least 110hp then at least you could position an engineer on patrol nearby to repair if it suffers a T1 air crash.
If you have a T1 engineer near by anyway, can't you just build another one?
Neutrino wrote:
To compensate for this multiply the build time of a T1 radar by 4. Now you'll still be able to mount a hit and run to take out a radar in under two seconds with 3 LABs, but now it'll take four times as long for your opponent to replace that radar, which would surely make the tactic far more useful than before.
The ideas you're using are common when you only look at DPS/HP stats. What about the build time, rolloff time, and transit time? Getting a group of three LABs to target takes much longer than a single LAB, because the first one has to wait for the second two to finish building and rolling off the factory so they can move out together. These extra seconds are plenty of time for the defending player to put tanks into position that they wouldn't otherwise have, and that's not even including how much time you have to spend making scouts to find enemy units. Right now you can use send the scouts immediately after they're built and use them to deny enemy intel that's undefended, but you're saying it should be LABs only.
Also, you're making radar construction take four times as long? Did you think about how much more powerful that's going to make first bomber? You'll have much less time to detect and respond to bombers coming in, good luck dodging with your opening engis. What about how much slower you'll be able to get up a network peripheral T1 radars in the early game? You generally need more radars than the one in your base, you know.
Neutrino wrote:
Now you'll still be able to mount a hit and run to take out a radar in under two seconds with 3 LABs, but now it'll take four times as long for your opponent to replace that radar, which would surely make the tactic far more useful than before.
Right now you can use a single LAB/scout pair to take out enemy radars and expanding engineers, slowing your opponent's expansion and forcing them to expend units and attention tracking down pesky single units. You're proposing to remove that tactic. Since it will take you so much longer to amass enough units to destroy any enemy radars, giving your opponent more time to defend their expansions and prepare counter-raiding forces, I'm not seeing how you're making early game intel-raiding a more useful tactic. All I see is that change forcing any early-game intel raiding to be done solely by T1 bombers.
I don't think you're acknowledging just how small a time window a lot of early game action takes place in. A few seconds can make an enormous difference.Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 17 Dec 2014, 19:09
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