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Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-10-02T10:25:28+02:00

One example... many people don't give a damn about peoples need to pause the game - they just directly unpause the game "because they can" and because they are fucking unfair people (happened again yesterday). It's the same with the "kick button" after 50 seconds the guy of team 2 will be kicked from at least one of team 1 - because he can. In ranked 1vs1 it is "maybe" different but there you have these fucking people who quit the game directly after its up because they don't like the map, they don't like "you" and your points or they just wanna have "more games" and this is... BECAUSE THEY CAN ... I don't know - but this takes time too and often it takes more time to find a new player or "another player" as this as***** who quits the game every time than waiting 1 min longer for the shitty kick button.

Or think about a compromise... change the time from 50 seconds to 90 seconds.

BR

Statistics: Posted by discoverer2k4 — 02 Oct 2012, 10:25

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-10-01T22:55:22+02:00

I personally think you should wait longer than the 50 secs in 1v1, and will wait longer myself, but I see no reason to enforce that on other people. If you dc and get ejected then take that as a prompt to sort out the issue whatever it may be, and that doesn't necessarily mean you have to throw money at the issue.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 01 Oct 2012, 22:55

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-10-01T20:32:51+02:00

My god. This happens what? 1 time in 50? Less? In the name of community and sportsmanship, an extra minute and a half won't kill you. If it can be coded (moot point if it cant) I would support increasing the timeout.

because something else I haven't seen mentioned: I've played for years, and up until about 2 months ago I didn't even realize that anybody ever came back after the 50 second mark. I'd seen people blip out for 10th seconds or so, but by the time the kick button came up, I assumed they were gone. it was only after a multiplayer game, where the guys friend I asked us all to wait that I realized FA could recollect you after so long.

So while some people here obviously see an extra minute or two as a huge inconvenience, I bet a lot of us just don't know better and hit kick when it pops up.

Statistics: Posted by Doompants — 01 Oct 2012, 20:32

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-10-01T19:00:26+02:00

ToejamS wrote:
Strange how every thread that -V- posts on eventually turns into a troll fest.

don't feed the trolls

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 01 Oct 2012, 19:00

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-10-01T12:34:43+02:00

Strange how every thread that -V- posts on eventually turns into a troll fest. I was pointing out my stuff because I like playing the game, without lag or connection issues. Personally 2 minutes is too long to wait for a 10-15 minute game for something that can and should be fixed. I wont be waiting just as I expect others not to wait for me when I drop, which has happened several times and they didnt wait for me.
BTW, I live in England now.

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 01 Oct 2012, 12:34

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-30T13:22:52+02:00

ToejamS wrote:
The OP wanted a 2 minute increase in kick time. You should spend more time reading and less time trolling. 2 minutes is too long for a ranked game. Fix your stuff, its broken. I sure dont pay a lot of money for my 100mb conneciton, 5ghz i7 with ssd to wait for someone else with a bad connection or crappy router. If you want to live with 1980's internet, thats fine, please dont ask us suffer it, it was bad enuf once.

So 3 min, I think it's stil OK. Funny how you brag about your stuff. I thought you were living in Australia. Did they get rid of the quotas yet ?

I guess some ppl need sth to be proud of and sadly there is
nothing else in their life than their hardware
and their internet connection.
So lets give them a hug and tell them how jealous we are
that we dont got that.

YEah no, I got a better connection, 1000Mbps symetrical, so no hug from me sorry . But it's funny to see people brag about it. 2 min or 3 is longer when you have hexacore or whatever haha.

NEvermind, bottom line, some people are fair play, some aren't.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 30 Sep 2012, 13:22

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-30T13:04:39+02:00

I guess some ppl need sth to be proud of and sadly there is
nothing else in their life than their hardware
and their internet connection.
So lets give them a hug and tell them how jealous we are
that we dont got that.

Statistics: Posted by laPPen — 30 Sep 2012, 13:04

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-30T12:33:52+02:00

But the majority would have to wait two minutes if someone deliberately dcs or crashes rather than 50 secs, so that a minority can reboot their router and keep playing

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 30 Sep 2012, 12:33

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-30T07:58:39+02:00

Anaryl wrote:
I don't agree that a majority should have to pay for the issues of a minority.

in a 1v1 game, there are 2 people affected and you cannot have a majority or minority.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 30 Sep 2012, 07:58

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-30T05:35:04+02:00

So what is the purpose of the feature that freezes the game when one player becomes unresponsive?
it is there to give some time for a problem to be fixed so that the game can resume.
The timeout should be long enough so that a router can reboot, because that fixes the problem.
I would say 2:30 is a timeout where the majority of people with static ip addresses come back.
Ideally i would like to click a button and indicate that i have dynamic addresses so that in my case any wait longer
than 10 seconds is a waste.
Why is 2:30 too long? Almost every game having a disconnect happening will last longer than 2:30 from that point on,
so even if the peer does not come back, you will save some time.
And i think that it is indeed unfair to rely on sportsmanship when a technical solution is available. For the same reason that
soccer games are played with a referee.
2 minutes and 30 seconds are not too much to ask for given that disconnects are an exception that happen in 1 out of 10 games maybe.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 30 Sep 2012, 05:35

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-30T05:02:50+02:00

Both of you should simmer down.

I must agree on one point, however - there's nothing "trolling" about pointing out how small a wait time 50 additional seconds is. There's no point in being elitist about people's connections and PCs - it's a game that we play for fun, and the community is small enough as it is without people trying to exclude others based on factors that they have little control over such as network quality or random acts of nature.

I've been on both ends of it, and it certainly sucks when your connection drops or you have to leave the PC for a few minutes due to something that you simply had absolutely zero control over. The only thing you can do is hope that your opponent is a decent enough of a human being to understand that and wait. I know that I do, and will wait as long as it takes for the other player to reconnect.

The absolute longest time I waited was a bit over 30 minutes in a ranked game on GPGNet, after the guy had paused without warning. He came back and was extremely apologetic about it, not to mention incredibly surprised and delighted that someone had waited.

At the end of the day, sadly, that kind of sportsmanship isn't something that can be enforced by technical means.

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 30 Sep 2012, 05:02

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-30T00:55:56+02:00

ToejamS wrote:
The OP wanted a 2 minute increase in kick time. You should spend more time reading and less time trolling. 2 minutes is too long for a ranked game. Fix your stuff, its broken. I sure dont pay a lot of money for my 100mb conneciton, 5ghz i7 with ssd to wait for someone else with a bad connection or crappy router. If you want to live with 1980's internet, thats fine, please dont ask us suffer it, it was bad enuf once.

FaF is a Global affair you moron. Good for you, you live in an area where fast internet is available. I am currently in University in Aberdeen, an energy and research world Capitol, and I have internet speeds of <0.5Mb/s. It was the same story in Cambridge, another research and education Capitol. It's not a CHOICE of living with crap internet, it isn't even available in 99.999% of the world right now.

All this is besides the fact that rebooting a router is nothing to do with Internet connection. Some models are faster at rebooting, some slower, and price has nothing to do with it. Sometimes the reboot time is more dependant on your ISP giving your router access than anything else, which is a problem on even faster lines. Sometimes, there is NOTHING that someone can do. You're in the middle of a ranked match and OH NO, power fluctuation due to a storm 40 miles away means your house's power supply flickers, tripping your switchboard for a second. Everything is fine, but even with your PC on an uninterruptable, your router needs to reboot. Does this player deserve to lose? NO.

1980's Internet, honestly. Get to grips with reality man.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 30 Sep 2012, 00:55

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-30T00:30:31+02:00

The OP wanted a 2 minute increase in kick time. You should spend more time reading and less time trolling. 2 minutes is too long for a ranked game. Fix your stuff, its broken. I sure dont pay a lot of money for my 100mb conneciton, 5ghz i7 with ssd to wait for someone else with a bad connection or crappy router. If you want to live with 1980's internet, thats fine, please dont ask us suffer it, it was bad enuf once.

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 30 Sep 2012, 00:30

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-29T13:02:04+02:00

50 secs are 50 secs no matter what.
You can't seriously say that it's SO painful to wait

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 29 Sep 2012, 13:02

Re: Unfair exclusion on ladder when a internet router reboot

2012-09-29T10:43:52+02:00

I believe that the OP is referring to ranked or ladder games -V- not the lag fest that is setons and yes, that is a lot of time.

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 29 Sep 2012, 10:43