Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-16T13:03:46+02:00

well, I think the idea I had is not applicable for all users. If an "auto-join" script connects you to the faforever teamspeak while the game is starting you can have the case people are already inside another teamspeak server with some other friends... they will be immediately disconnected from their server.

better and easier solution maybe (if people really need this -.-):
the host can decide if he wants to enable teamspeak and the ts server he wants to use is shown as link under the game title.
Everyone who wants to participate can click on the link of the ts server and join it.

the parameter screen if you create a game as a host shows the option to enable teamspeak and/or a input box for an own server (for example under the game title). Or make it automatically like above mentioned - let people connect through this to the faforever ts server in a gameID-channel.

But really !? Who needs this? If one is not able to communicate in the gamelobby and ask people to join ones teamspeak server - one is not able to communicate anyway (or too lazy) ...

but the teamspeak address of faforever could be advertised maybe somewhere on the find game site.
Or put it directly under the featured mods list - so people can click on it and connect with the server.

don't let us force and annoy pilot with this irrelevant things guys look forward to the galactic war!

Statistics: Posted by discoverer2k4 — 16 Jan 2013, 13:03

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-16T11:24:00+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
If you have donated for the indiegogo campaign (it's not too late), you will be able to vote and propose new functions for FAF. I will then make a priority list (probably vote some too), and implement what I have the time to implement.

Lucky I donated and surely I would/will vote for such an option.

I visited the TS frequently and Sheppard is right, only very few players are using it. And some doesn´t have the equipment, some have restrictions in loudness (my family wants to sleep when I play, but i need to hear the kids...), and some like just the privacy...anyway, I can assume that an easy access to such an option would increase the number of players using it in team-games, I would like it.
And to let the user vote for it is the right idea to find out, if this should be targeted by the developer(s).

Greetings

Statistics: Posted by Fiete_F_F — 16 Jan 2013, 11:24

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-16T09:06:17+02:00

eXcalibur wrote:
the problem is not making 2 clicks, but that (a significant amount of) others do not make those 2 clicks as well.
why?
do we want to change this or should we shut the teamspeak server down?
why was the teamspeak server started in the first place?

this is what i want to talk about.

@ColonelSheppard:
why are there featured mods? are people too lazy to download a small file and install it before they can play a game?
why is there a map vault? are people too lazy to download them and to put them manually in the right folder before joining a game?

If you have donated for the indiegogo campaign (it's not too late), you will be able to vote and propose new functions for FAF. I will then make a priority list (probably vote some too), and implement what I have the time to implement.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 16 Jan 2013, 09:06

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-16T07:41:48+02:00

forcing people into voip would be ridicolous
if you want people to join TS, tell them

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 16 Jan 2013, 07:41

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-16T05:17:07+02:00

the problem is not making 2 clicks, but that (a significant amount of) others do not make those 2 clicks as well.
why?
do we want to change this or should we shut the teamspeak server down?
why was the teamspeak server started in the first place?

this is what i want to talk about.

@ColonelSheppard:
why are there featured mods? are people too lazy to download a small file and install it before they can play a game?
why is there a map vault? are people too lazy to download them and to put them manually in the right folder before joining a game?

Statistics: Posted by eXcalibur — 16 Jan 2013, 05:17

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T18:25:50+02:00

wtf
you dont want to do 2 clicks in order to join the TS?

sry but thats just ridicolous (no offence)

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 15 Jan 2013, 18:25

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T17:29:34+02:00

It's a lot of work. That's why. I have priorities and this is not one.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 15 Jan 2013, 17:29

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T16:36:11+02:00

Discover there is nothing wrong with typing, or beacons... but they aren't as fluid and rapid as simply speaking. The example I gave was an off the cuff example, not the most complicated or relevant.

Ze_Pilot at the moment the TS channels aren't used, but I would argue that if it were integrated automatically to start channels through TS, so people automatically join when they are in a lobby for a game, that it would be used. If it's there, and it's automated why would they not use it?

I think the idea has potential, if it could be used in conjunction with TS or some new system, it doesn't matter... it's the concept that's important. Whatever works best is beyond me .

Statistics: Posted by Hazzard65 — 15 Jan 2013, 16:36

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T17:14:42+02:00

@zep: the ladder was barly used as well until some people (mainly you) did something about it!

thx discoverer2004. good idea.

how about implementing this into the game lobby with a text: "Enable another dimension of gameplay by installing teamspeak 3 and interacting with your teammates on another level. FAF will start the program and will put you into your team's channel all automatically!"

this should be quite easy to implement and maybe it resurrects the use of teamspeak 3 (like the ladder used to be almost dead as well) and therefore connects the community of FAF even further. i am sure that this way at least 40% of all players will have teamspeak 3 installed and start to talk eventually (when they hear that others have a hard time speaking english as well) and when they just have to start talking! people are lazy, so they should be given the choice of either read in the forum how to deactivate teamspeak 3, start typing text and miss what everybody talks in teamspeak or simply start to talk to each other.

just write a batch file to start teamspeak 3 with the forgedalliance.exe (on both 32bit and 64bit systems and the standard installation path of teamspeak 3), give everybody the right to create temporary channels on the teamspeak 3 server and use discoverer's code to put everybody into the right channel. this should be enabled by default. you can make a thread in the forum where you explain to people how to deactivate it. done. later when you see that people start to use teamspeak 3, you can even include the teamspeak 3 installer into the FAF installer, this way even more people can talk or at least understand what everybody is talking about.

Statistics: Posted by eXcalibur — 15 Jan 2013, 16:31

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T16:15:45+02:00

Too much work for a function that will barely be used.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 15 Jan 2013, 16:15

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T16:14:33+02:00

I think it could be coded to join the faforever-teamspeak automatically if you join a game or better if you start the match (and all teams are set).the ts-channel will named like the game-id + team1,2,3 ... (e.g. 610532-Team1) so each player joins automatically the correct channel.

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of course the ts-server should give unregistered users the permission to create temporarily channels...

I don't know if it's possible to implement such things into the code that starts the game...

anyway I don't need that...

Statistics: Posted by discoverer2k4 — 15 Jan 2013, 16:14

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T15:11:43+02:00

whats the matter with using the Ts sver of FAF?
it's linked in the top left hand conner of the lobby
or if i remember right it just "www.faforever.com" as adress

i hardly see more than 5 persons using it at the same time

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 15 Jan 2013, 15:11

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T15:04:24+02:00

It's not possible to able something integrated in FA.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 15 Jan 2013, 15:04

Re: Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T14:32:20+02:00

where is the problem to use the beacons: (m)ove, (a)ttack, (w)arning/attention?
in your example with the cruisers I would make a (w)beacon on the cruisers, a (m)beacon where they should go and show him what you are going to do with your air on the same way ... at last you can do a (a)beacon on the air of the opponent I would understand that I guess :p
and if not I will write: "?" and u can write: "help with cruisers vs air"

OR you take "F8" and make a text beacon (or whatever its called) on the field.

don't think so complicated dude

if you wanna have voip, you could also go on the faforever.com teamspeak server with your teammates...

Statistics: Posted by discoverer2k4 — 15 Jan 2013, 14:32

Integrated VOIP

2013-01-15T13:32:03+02:00

One thing that limits on the fly strategy changes, or tactical flexibility is the lack of swift, reactive communications. The kind that typing doesn't allow for given the overarching importance of timely actions and reaction and time in general during matches. A person doesn't have time to type "Please send your cruisers to the ping so we can lure the enemy air into a trap with my air" for example, but saying this would be much easier and far more effective, over VOIP.

Obviously it would require an easy to mute functionality. Having the ability to turn off particularly annoying people is a must and perfectly reasonable.

Of course FAF already has Teamspeak channels, but it would be great if somehow teams could automatically be placed within a teamspeak channel in their own teams ready to go from match start up. If that is even possible.

In general though it would be nice to see a more automated and integrated VOIP system as I think it would dramatically increase players abilities to communicate and thus work together more effectively and allow for more interesting strategies and flexibility.

Statistics: Posted by Hazzard65 — 15 Jan 2013, 13:32