Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-03-25T18:53:02+02:00

When you leave the drones to do whatever they like, then the ones stuck at an SMD or SML will be there for the rest of the game, oir until the SMD is filled (I assume you never fill an SML). The delay between finishing the first and building the second missile is the same as the delay between two air units being built (or even less than that).

My style of using the units is completely different, so I don't have this issue. When I build a block of those units, I order them to continuously assist an air factory (or other type, but usually air factory), then it's pretty easy to order them to do something else, just shift-drag-click and select the drones. I have more problems when I do this with the hives, because upgrading the efficiently is a micro-heavy task. You want to upgrade one and have the others assist it, then move on to the next and so on (Doing this for rows in a block is less micro-heavy and still efficient). However, in a packed base, half of them start assisting the SMD when that is closer or when you forget about ordering the next upgrade for half a second, making it a slow and even more micro-intensive task to get everything upgraded.

Although this is a different situation (I only have them on auto-assist when I'm upgrading hives, and kennel drones are easier to manage), the problem is still the same: auto-assisting that is slow and useless

My suggestion, have hives and kennels no longer auto-assist the SMD or SML. This is a slow and almost always unnecessary task and when you actually want them to assist either of those units (rushing the last few percent of the anti-nuke), you do it with a quick sequence of buttons anyway. This way, no one gets compromised in the way they use their kennels or hives.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 25 Mar 2014, 18:53

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-03-25T15:09:36+02:00

I think possibly my biggest complaint with drones is how they'll all eventually get stuck assisting an air factory or a missile launcher (How many times I've crashed my eco because all of my drones wandered over to my air factory!) consuming a bunch of power while leaving you with excess mass. I'd like to see both types of engineering stations forced to look for a new target to assist when they're on area assist and the factory they're assisting finishes construction. Normally drones will not move from an air factory because there's little to no delay between construction, and they'll start wandering back but then immediately start assisting the new construction. Forcing them to look for a different assist target first would help with this. I'm not sure what could be done to prevent all your drones getting stuck on your SMD, though.

Statistics: Posted by RedX — 25 Mar 2014, 15:09

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-03-20T00:27:47+02:00

Turnus wrote:
I'd personally like to see the ability to toggle Assist OR Repair. In other words FORCE the drones to ONLY repair, or only assist (maybe have a third setting where it does both)

I agree, add your idea to fix proposal

Statistics: Posted by Rayth — 20 Mar 2014, 00:27

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-03-08T21:15:56+02:00

would it be possible to make the drones t1 instead of t2, (for all factions) but whilst t1 they can only reclaim and not construct. then after going t2 they behave as normal. it might make for some easier reclaiming if it was drones instead of engis, and to negate this reclaim unit being used instead of scout it would need to be built via the drones instead of factory. also the rebuild after loss is usefull.

Statistics: Posted by roseneath — 08 Mar 2014, 21:15

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-03-07T06:02:30+02:00

Turnus wrote:
Rayth wrote:
Lionhardt wrote:the fact that drones go eveywhere is what makes them geat... i think all of your issues are none.

If you want all your drone to assist factory, one order and it's done.
If you want them assist where towers is, you have to give patrol or assist order to each drones individualy.

My proposal does not affect the possibility of ordering for a farther repair if necessary.
The default order should be help where you build the tower, not roaming everywhere.

The fact is, in all games drones stupidly cluster around factories and never repair damaged buildings or assist in radius of towers, where you need it.

For me both drone types can be painful sometimes, as the UEF ones can move into range of a factory (or where your building that horribly expensive experimental) and start randomly assisting my engies/factories, which if you aren't careful ca crash your Eco

That is the REAL issue with drones imo. I don't midn if they wonder around doing stuff. But it should be possible to tell them to NOT do a specific thing like (do not assist XY) or to not do a cerain general task like repair.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 07 Mar 2014, 06:02

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-03-07T01:05:34+02:00

Rayth wrote:
Lionhardt wrote:the fact that drones go eveywhere is what makes them geat... i think all of your issues are none.

If you want all your drone to assist factory, one order and it's done.
If you want them assist where towers is, you have to give patrol or assist order to each drones individualy.

My proposal does not affect the possibility of ordering for a farther repair if necessary.
The default order should be help where you build the tower, not roaming everywhere.

The fact is, in all games drones stupidly cluster around factories and never repair damaged buildings or assist in radius of towers, where you need it.

I'd personally like to see the ability to toggle Assist OR Repair. In other words FORCE the drones to ONLY repair, or only assist (maybe have a third setting where it does both) For me both drone types can be painful sometimes, as the UEF ones can move into range of a factory (or where your building that horribly expensive experimental) and start randomly assisting my engies/factories, which if you aren't careful ca crash your Eco, when the only reason I wanted them was to repair my PD and Eco buildings.

In my mind this can be fixed by as stated above, making an option to set the drones to repair only or assist only. I'm picturing an "Attack style" interface, where you click through the different drone stances. I am in no way a coder so don't know if my suggestion is even possible.

Statistics: Posted by Turnus — 07 Mar 2014, 01:05

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-03-04T11:39:46+02:00

God I just want to say that this is a format that would like to see a lot of the other suggestions in, props man.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 04 Mar 2014, 11:39

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-03-03T22:49:08+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
the fact that drones go eveywhere is what makes them geat... i think all of your issues are none.

If you want all your drone to assist factory, one order and it's done.
If you want them assist where towers is, you have to give patrol or assist order to each drones individualy.

My proposal does not affect the possibility of ordering for a farther repair if necessary.
The default order should be help where you build the tower, not roaming everywhere.

The fact is, in all games drones stupidly cluster around factories and never repair damaged buildings or assist in radius of towers, where you need it.

Statistics: Posted by Rayth — 03 Mar 2014, 22:49

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-02-28T15:48:28+02:00

da_monstr wrote:
The Mak wrote:
da_monstr wrote:What I find annoying about drones is how hard it is to select them.

You need the UI mod: UEF Pod Mod

Can't get that to work.

Enable mod.
Build a few engineering stations.
Select all engineering stations.
Click on the select drone icon in the UI, typically this will only select one drone.
With the mod enabled this will select all the drones from the selected engineering stations.

Statistics: Posted by The Mak — 28 Feb 2014, 15:48

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-02-28T01:01:06+02:00

The Mak wrote:
da_monstr wrote:What I find annoying about drones is how hard it is to select them.

You need the UI mod: UEF Pod Mod

Can't get that to work.

@Lionhardt : OK, I'll have a look.

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 28 Feb 2014, 01:01

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-02-28T00:27:47+02:00

da_monstr wrote:
What I find annoying about drones is how hard it is to select them.

look through the key bindings. there is an unbound "select all drones" command.

@op: ... the fact that drones go eveywhere is what makes them geat... i think all of your issues are none.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 28 Feb 2014, 00:27

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-02-15T21:18:34+02:00

da_monstr wrote:
What I find annoying about drones is how hard it is to select them.

You need the UI mod: UEF Pod Mod

Statistics: Posted by The Mak — 15 Feb 2014, 21:18

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-02-15T19:42:06+02:00

Sulo wrote:
Rayth wrote:Problem 1 : How to fix that :
As for drones going everywhere, well, for me it's an advantage over Cybran eng. station that cannot do this and if ground assist works I dont see any problems, we just have to educate people that it works that way.

My proposal does not affect the possibility of ordering for a farther repair if necessary, but only if the player chose it. You can make them patroling if you want.

It is much more logical than the default action does not let them go where they want.

Statistics: Posted by Rayth — 15 Feb 2014, 19:42

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-02-15T18:40:11+02:00

What I find annoying about drones is how hard it is to select them.

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 15 Feb 2014, 18:40

Re: Kennel Renewal and and Correction

2014-02-15T18:24:28+02:00

Rayth wrote:
Problem 1 : How to fix that :

First solution, alow to directly build Tier 3 kennel.
Second solution if the first is problematic for balancing, don't allow to save template with tier 3 kennel on it.

Or make templates with T3 Kennel downgrade it to T2 automaticly.
If the first solution is chosen Cybran Hives should also be changed.

As for drones going everywhere, well, for me it's an advantage over Cybran eng. station that cannot do this and if ground assist works I dont see any problems, we just have to educate people that it works that way.

Statistics: Posted by Sulo — 15 Feb 2014, 18:24