Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-12T02:11:12+02:00

Light Assault Bots (LABs) can fire when docked at a transport.
Only LABs, so no Seraphim Combat Scouts (Selen).

Mobile shields always turn off if loaded onto a transport.

Mobile stealth fields will stay on and still hide everything in their range from radar, including the transport and other docked units.

Personal Cloak (Cybran ACU, Seraphim Selen, Cybran Mole) will stay on.
The transport itself will be visible though, but the docking clamps with the cloaked units will appear empty to the enemy without Omni.

Tips:
If you can get your hands on both, UEF T2 gunships (those with the docking clamp) with 1 or more docked Cybran mobile stealth fields create a stealth gunship fleet.
The Mole has cloaking, but no stealth, so it's only hidden if the enemy has visual but no radar.

Statistics: Posted by Phlegm — 12 Mar 2014, 02:11

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-12T01:33:40+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
Right. Woudl be kinda cool if mobile stealth field gens had a button that makes them ignore drop off commands.

I have done some testing for t1. Apparently the transport priority is (all t1) engie > MAA > scout > tank > LAB > arty

Apart from the fact that transporting one unit type after the other instead of evenly distributing the units makes not much sense this priority chain makes even less.

Mobile stealth fields work while in transports? Interesting. Any other units that still work while in transports?

Statistics: Posted by RedX — 12 Mar 2014, 01:33

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-11T12:48:39+02:00

What about just cycling through a list of classes when selecting the next unit to be loaded?
If there is no match for a class, go to the next one.
If the next unit that would be seleted is to big for the current transport choose that fits any but don't advance the cycle.
This would ensure some distribution and should be not that hard to implement I guess.

Statistics: Posted by burnstreet — 11 Mar 2014, 12:48

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-10T00:50:48+02:00

Gerfand wrote:
if possible to make something like:
load 2 "A"(tank), them load 1 "B"(AA), them load 1 "C"(Arty) ...

then you don't have to micro your tranports to get 1 AA for every 2 tanks, and, if shot down you lose less(all your AA gone, and your enemy w/ Air control... say good bie to your drop).

Yes, but for that sort of thing we are talking something similar to build templates. You have to consider what would happen if you don't have all the units needed to comprise a full template and how this will be handled. While this sounds simple it's not as there are thousands apon thousands of possible load combinations. Odds are that no matter how well intending, no mere mod would ever truly meet up your expectations as this may be just too complex.

IMO it would be far simpler to just manage the load order manually to ensure the right units get loaded in the expected order. If the transports drop order is as important as you say it is, then it's worth you spending a few seconds to do it yourself. Besides, this game isn't supposed to be easy, hence a certain amount of micro is to be expected / demanded if your going to win. (Not counting out right exploits)

Resin

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 10 Mar 2014, 00:50

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-10T00:28:15+02:00

if possible to make something like:
load 2 "A"(tank), them load 1 "B"(AA), them load 1 "C"(Arty) ...

then you don't have to micro your tranports to get 1 AA for every 2 tanks, and, if shot down you lose less(all your AA gone, and your enemy w/ Air control... say good bie to your drop).

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 10 Mar 2014, 00:28

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-09T23:20:28+02:00

It's possible to sort the units loaded and maybe even lock a unit into place once loaded. That being said, your lookin at what would be a major rewrite of the transport script along with some UI coding as well. Only modder I know of who's be up to the task would be Domino. That's assuming he's not working on a project already.

Resin

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 09 Mar 2014, 23:20

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-05T22:49:21+02:00

Right, but of it is not too complicated at some point in time, I think, it should be looked at.

Interestingly, btw., in the Steam version the order of priority is different (all t1 again): engie > tank > LAB > MAA > scout > arty

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 05 Mar 2014, 22:49

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-05T22:23:43+02:00

How simple would this be to change/mod though? I would like to see it done, but if it something incredibly complex, I'm sure the modders are doing enough work already xD

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 05 Mar 2014, 22:23

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-05T22:17:16+02:00

Right. Woudl be kinda cool if mobile stealth field gens had a button that makes them ignore drop off commands.

I have done some testing for t1. Apparently the transport priority is (all t1) engie > MAA > scout > tank > LAB > arty

Apart from the fact that transporting one unit type after the other instead of evenly distributing the units makes not much sense this priority chain makes even less.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 05 Mar 2014, 22:17

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-05T21:58:32+02:00

Also very micro intensive to get a transport to carry a mobile stealth there and back.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 05 Mar 2014, 21:58

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-05T21:25:04+02:00

Exactly!

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 05 Mar 2014, 21:25

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-05T20:18:29+02:00

It likes to do stupid things like all aa first. not good for securing the landing zone

Statistics: Posted by Deering — 05 Mar 2014, 20:18

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-05T13:44:06+02:00

Like a zlord, I didn't notice this. I thought the distribution was random. If the game can sort by unit, it should be just as easy to distribute evenly.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 05 Mar 2014, 13:44

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-05T05:47:12+02:00

nobody else annoyed by this? i find this to be one of the silliest things the game does by itself.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 05 Mar 2014, 05:47

Re: Even unit type distribution for ferry commands

2014-03-04T00:46:07+02:00

+1

If you could throw in also some kind of drop zone size switch that would be nice.
(well, for combat drops you probably want your units spread all around but if you use transports to move new units from factory it makes quite a mess instead of just dropping the units in more or less one place)

Statistics: Posted by Sulo — 04 Mar 2014, 00:46