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Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-24T21:40:05+02:00

D4E_Omit wrote:
Forced? You had like months between each patch to give an opinion about the changes, the patches were even released to play for testing?

Are you kidding right ?

At the begin only player above 1700 could participate in the balance team and discussion and this for months !!!! This gave enough time to the balance to take a complety different path that by the way had NEVER changed till now in his direction. Not because they were no one wanted them but because they changed the way the balance should be made .... every patch should only bring lillte change to not disturb the gameplay and had to be related only about the previous patch... So pls don't come here and play defenser of the right and order since there is nothing about it here.

This is the drawback about only one featured balance for all the community. A fight about power and influence that left you 2 choice embrasse it or endure it .. If your opinion is not in the "main" stream it simply does NOT matter period. All was done to cut with the 3599 balance.

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 24 Nov 2014, 21:40

Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-24T19:34:51+02:00

Let's keep it civil here guys. You can debate the topic all you want for now, but if you continue insulting each other, I'm going to start deleting posts.

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 24 Nov 2014, 19:34

Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-24T18:50:06+02:00

SunTzu wrote:
I dont know why some peoples are so aggresive here...

No one need to wright here if u dont like the thred and ecspecially not peoples they never played in gpg times.

And FAF alredy forced a whole community to play this new balance pls dont wright such idiotic crap here thnx.

Forced? You had like months between each patch to give an opinion about the changes, the patches were even released to play for testing? So uhm let me use your own sentence against you..

pls dont wright such idiotic crap here thnx

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 24 Nov 2014, 18:50

Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-24T18:21:54+02:00

I dont know why some peoples are so aggresive here...

No one need to wright here if u dont like the thred and ecspecially not peoples they never played in gpg times.

And FAF alredy forced a whole community to play this new balance pls dont wright such idiotic crap here thnx.

Statistics: Posted by SunTzu — 24 Nov 2014, 18:21

Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-23T02:51:56+02:00

Is this a discussion about 3599 or is it a discussion about some random lobby that isnt FAF. Couse, if its the first, thats stupid. 3599 was a poor mess in terms of balance, but more importantly it simply was not as interesting as the current iteration of FAF. An if you desperately want to play it, go play it with friends through a LAN or some such, dont force an entire community to go backwards design wise just couse you think differently to some of them...

If its the second.. well, its frigging rude firstly to talk about some other lobby here. Its a d*** move in all the wrong ways. ANNNNND the title of the thread would need to be changed, possibly to something like "faux pa for beginners" or "rude ass discussion about how i dont like this lobby while the creator participates an i essentially passive aggressively slag im off" or something :\

Statistics: Posted by rexx1888 — 23 Nov 2014, 02:51

Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-23T02:14:03+02:00

D4E_Omit wrote:
Got 0 reason why anybody would want to join a lobby that has an old patch with crap 3599 balance

I never planned to have only one featured mod

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 23 Nov 2014, 02:14

Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-22T21:02:37+02:00

Maybe it's just boring because you played it so much, because if a new patch adds something, it's definitely more diversity. And in my book more diversity and other tactics means more fun.. But sure do whatever you want nobody is going to stop you. Got 0 reason why anybody would want to join a lobby that has an old patch with crap 3599 balance.

Oh and even if it weren't 3599 balance nobody would want java to join, so they'd just join faf xD

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 22 Nov 2014, 21:02

Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-22T13:56:53+02:00

D4E_Omit wrote:
faf is still functioning totally fine

Yeah sure ... but FA in FAF lost his soul. I really don't care if something is not perfect or have even some bugs. What matter is how much fun do you have with it.

And the more the patch went out the more this game become boring ...To sacrifice everything so that your vision becomes true … well … do this suicidal alone. I am not going to follow you

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 22 Nov 2014, 13:56

Re: Roadmap / Status of Developments

2014-11-21T21:45:05+02:00

dstojkov wrote:
Hi guys,

Ze_PilOt wrote: Changing that now is killing the spirit of the project.

This is why I began a new lobby.

I prefer to have 1000 mods in a lobby that only one for the simple reason that it keep you free to inovate and stay open for new idea.

The one mod is kind of one dogma with the moto embrase it or die.

This is not Sparta ...

Regards

I look at this like ZEP looks at this, having a ton of different balance mods will make the community collapse all over the place like what happened with all the total annihilation communities. Also I have no idea why you want a new lobby so badly because, atleast for now, faf is still functioning totally fine.

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 21 Nov 2014, 21:45

Re: Roadmap / Status of Developments

2014-11-21T21:03:18+02:00

rootbeer23 wrote:
we do know now that a balance mod is not the end of FAF.

No idea how you can make this claim.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 21 Nov 2014, 21:03

Re: 3599 Balance Direction

2014-11-21T19:32:35+02:00

rootbeer23 wrote:
so how many sim mods did you have to blacklist in the past to keep the spirit alive?

The filtering didn't happens at this stage ....

It was like ... you don't like the balance ? you don't approve or work ? then go play on steam ... wait I will help you making the first step ( resulting in temporary ban and if you keep saying the balance sucks perma ban because they look at you like a troll )

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 21 Nov 2014, 19:32

Re: Roadmap / Status of Developments

2014-11-21T18:55:08+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
rootbeer23 wrote:so how many sim mods did you have to blacklist in the past to keep the spirit alive?

None. Sim mods are allowed and very welcome (that's why there is a mod vault in the first place). For innovation and shit like djosktov said.
The mods blacklisted were stuff that modified scd/faf/nxt files, leading to incompatibilities, ....
They were blacklisted for the user sake, every other legit mod asked to be whitelisted is in the list.

its just a technical limitation that you cannot have a special needs mod that does not appear in the featured mods list.

Retrospectively I probably wouldn't have integrated it as some people may use that example to justify other balance mods now that I'm no longer in charge.

we do know now that a balance mod is not the end of FAF.
thats not really a justification, but it can disprove bogus claims.
or maybe it is a justification, since when FAF can live with it, there is no need to be overly restrictive.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 21 Nov 2014, 18:55

Re: Roadmap / Status of Developments

2014-11-21T09:01:58+02:00

rootbeer23 wrote:
so how many sim mods did you have to blacklist in the past to keep the spirit alive?

None. Sim mods are allowed and very welcome (that's why there is a mod vault in the first place). For innovation and shit like djosktov said.
The mods blacklisted were stuff that modified scd/faf/nxt files, leading to incompatibilities, ....
They were blacklisted for the user sake, every other legit mod asked to be whitelisted is in the list.

But Sim mods are a different beast than Featured mods.
You have to search for them, and it's clearly defined as "mod", not "alternate version of the game - Read the 40 pages of changelogs to know the difference".

Featured mods are selected, carefully crafted, and put in front of the player as "special experiences". Not variations, totally different things.
The only exceptions are vanilla and Diamond.

The first one is there because there is no other way to easily play supcom without FA.
Diamond is more complicated. It is a balance mod, and it wasn't allowed in the first place. It has to go through a vote to be featured, and all in all, it's a very different balance than FA, not just slights variations.

Retrospectively I probably wouldn't have integrated it as some people may use that example to justify other balance mods now that I'm no longer in charge.

I will say it again : If you feel like a balance mod has the place as featured, it's most likely that the current balance is lacking something. The solution is to fix it, not to go backward in time and implement random patches as featured mods.
Don't be lazy.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 21 Nov 2014, 09:01

Re: Roadmap / Status of Developments

2014-11-21T03:08:14+02:00

Hi guys,

Ze_PilOt wrote:
Changing that now is killing the spirit of the project.

This is why I began a new lobby.

I prefer to have 1000 mods in a lobby that only one for the simple reason that it keep you free to inovate and stay open for new idea.

The one mod is kind of one dogma with the moto embrase it or die.

This is not Sparta ...

Regards

Statistics: Posted by dstojkov — 21 Nov 2014, 03:08

Re: Roadmap / Status of Developments

2014-11-21T00:30:30+02:00

so how many sim mods did you have to blacklist in the past to keep the spirit alive?

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 21 Nov 2014, 00:30