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Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-27T10:00:16+02:00

i just assumed that in a group of 5 strikers each one appears at the same time.
when i think of it it would be kind of op for harbs though.
just an idea:
1st harb: s = 2/3*840/(4-3) (usal formula for secs)
2nd harb: s = 560 + (560/(2^2)) = 700
3rd harb: s = 700 + (700/(3^2)) = 778
4th harb: s = 778 + (778/(4^2)) = 826
5th harb: s = 826 + (826/(5^2)) = 859
6th harb: s = 859 + (859/(6^2)) = 882

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 27 Jul 2013, 10:00

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-27T09:44:08+02:00

If you command a group of 6 harbs, it will come after one hour..

I think the only way to scale it well is take the number of units in your group and/or their tech in account.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 27 Jul 2013, 09:44

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-27T09:28:50+02:00

i think i found a very simple one that has times hat fit in my opinion.
s seconds
m mass cost
t tech lvl
it doesnt include t4!
s = 2/3m/(4-t)
striker around 11 secs
pillar 66 secs
titan 320 secs
rhino around 100 sec
harbinger around 560 secs
percy at 850 secs

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 27 Jul 2013, 09:28

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-27T01:06:50+02:00

You could do a decay function, where the increase in time needed is decreased as mass cost goes up.

Golol wrote:
how about seconds equals mass cost divided by (10 [random number]*tech lvl) squared?
more expensive units would be less viable than cheaper units.
a titan would be seconds = 840/30 squared = 13 mins (quite high)
a atriker would be seconds = 50/10 squared = 25 secs (okay)
as a result higher tech units wouldnt have to cost more since theyll be deployed around the time when theyre not op.
unfortunately you would have to wait 70 hours for a monkeylord...

Statistics: Posted by RoundTabler — 27 Jul 2013, 01:06

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-27T00:49:20+02:00

how about seconds equals mass cost divided by (10 [random number]*tech lvl) squared?
more expensive units would be less viable than cheaper units.
a titan would be seconds = 840/30 squared = 13 mins (quite high)
a atriker would be seconds = 50/10 squared = 25 secs (okay)
as a result higher tech units wouldnt have to cost more since theyll be deployed around the time when theyre not op.
unfortunately you would have to wait 70 hours for a monkeylord...

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 27 Jul 2013, 00:49

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-25T21:03:53+02:00

Reinforcement delay should be ticks equals mass cost x 2. Striker takes 11 sec, pillar 40 sec, titan about 100 seconds..... maybe x 3 would be better lol

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 25 Jul 2013, 21:03

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-25T13:46:47+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
You will be able to buy units for another player, so even rank 0 can have reinforcements if they communicate (that's the point of the ranking and the limitation : forcing people to talk to each others and collaborate).

The current time is probably a problem, I've asked for a general math rule in another thread and I had no answer, so I've put the easiest rule to test. (time = tech level * 0.66 if I remember correctly).

Feel free to propose another formula for computing each unit time from blueprint, I can easily change it server side for testing.

Ah, that sounds like a great idea, I did not realise that, sorry, obviously we are limited by the numbers of players here.

Ill run some formula's through my head overnight and see what I can come up with.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 25 Jul 2013, 13:46

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-25T13:08:16+02:00

You will be able to buy units for another player, so even rank 0 can have reinforcements if they communicate (that's the point of the ranking and the limitation : forcing people to talk to each others and collaborate).

The current time is probably a problem, I've asked for a general math rule in another thread and I had no answer, so I've put the easiest rule to test. (time = tech level * 0.66 if I remember correctly).

Feel free to propose another formula for computing each unit time from blueprint, I can easily change it server side for testing.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 25 Jul 2013, 13:08

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-25T13:00:59+02:00

I understand that it is not balanced yet, I'm just bringing it to your attention, was I wrong to do so? Looking at the thread now I can see how it can come across as a bit of a troll and I'm sorry for that. However, although this is balance I think this may be one of the things to take a look at now, due to the fact that it can be rather game breaking in my opinion.

And for reference I spent my credits on a T2 pd, instead of reinforcements, so we had roughly the same amount of credits on the field.

In regards to to the player with reinforcements having the upper hand, I agree. But I titan on that map before minute 5 is a free win. While its true that it is possible to get your own reinforcements, one must rank up to do so, and these ranks take time. I would rather fight an uphill battle, than an impossible one.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 25 Jul 2013, 13:00

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-25T07:47:24+02:00

Balance will be done in beta.
Right now I want error reports.

But I want to state, once again, that GW games are not supposed to be balanced, but fun.

A player with reinforcements should have the upperhand on a player without anything (and that player should recall quickly). So maybe 3 min is too fast, or not.
The other player could have planetary defenses or a loyalist (same price).

And before making fun of the "balance" (again, there is none so far, just random numbers to test functions), I hope you realize that it's actually the first thread giving feedback on the function itself after 3 weeks?

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 25 Jul 2013, 07:47

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-25T06:12:40+02:00

I hear by present my evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcDwORmFF-o

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 25 Jul 2013, 06:12

Re: Reinforcements

2013-07-25T04:44:23+02:00

Totally balanced lalallalla

Statistics: Posted by Swkoll — 25 Jul 2013, 04:44

Reinforcements

2013-07-25T04:42:58+02:00

Currently its possible to get a titan in under 2 min on a small map..... Maybe its time to have a look at the times for rienforcements in GW

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 25 Jul 2013, 04:42