Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-13T16:14:43+02:00

You won't be able to rebuild on these wrecks anymore.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 13 Jan 2014, 16:14

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T21:05:34+02:00

The point is you do NOT have to build it up. You place a building to the wreck of the identical building then instantly reclaim it. It gives half of the original structure's price. Both mass and energy. I didn't tested if it even works in GW but I can't explain it better. Watch the attached 1 min long replay and you will understand what I am talking about.

Statistics: Posted by alegnagyobbkiraj — 10 Jan 2014, 21:05

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T20:33:33+02:00

I don't think that really matters. You don't get energy back from reclaim, so you have to invest energy and engies to build it, so that it's not worth the effort.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 10 Jan 2014, 20:33

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T20:25:03+02:00

If I wasn't clear somehow I've spoken about the phenomena in the attachement. (without structure building of course)

Statistics: Posted by alegnagyobbkiraj — 10 Jan 2014, 20:25

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T17:30:28+02:00

But it's simple. You build on wreck then reclaim. It is not that effective as simply reclaiming but you can bypass the 1 mass thingy and use defense buildings for eco boost.

Statistics: Posted by alegnagyobbkiraj — 10 Jan 2014, 17:30

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T17:07:03+02:00

I don't really get the point of ctrl-k a free building for rebuilding it for half the normal cost.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 10 Jan 2014, 17:07

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T16:58:06+02:00

Even if you set the wrecks' reclaim values to 1;1, is that not possible to ctrl-k the structures then build the same on top of wreck wich starts from half ready then reclaim it and get 50% of the mass and e this way? Or if wreck's values aren't ordinary nor the building will be halfbuilt?

Statistics: Posted by alegnagyobbkiraj — 10 Jan 2014, 16:58

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T15:57:18+02:00

That's exactly what "building reinforcements" will be. Not planetary defenses.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 10 Jan 2014, 15:57

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T14:41:00+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
Gerfand wrote:and if we are able to out the PD outside of the base?

or by placing on the GW lobby

or by having some vehicles that morph into Turrets?

Defenses are for defenses. They will stay as it is, because it works exactly as intended, having the purpose I wanted them to have. Balance costs are another topic that I won't discuss until all features are done.

Building reinforcements is a featured already implemented in FA mod you are using now but not yet in the lobby.
You will be able to build them where you want, but they won't stay on the map (maybe I will change my mind on that, but very unlikely).

I have nothing more to say, I keep repeating myself

Also, why asking for stuff is nice, I'm not planning to add anything more than what I've planned. I'm already working on all free time on this and this has to stop at some point.

what I mean is to place Defenses on places that are'nt your main base, like a Firebase...

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 10 Jan 2014, 14:41

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T01:54:06+02:00

Gerfand wrote:
and if we are able to out the PD outside of the base?

or by placing on the GW lobby

or by having some vehicles that morph into Turrets?

Defenses are for defenses. They will stay as it is, because it works exactly as intended, having the purpose I wanted them to have. Balance costs are another topic that I won't discuss until all features are done.

Building reinforcements is a featured already implemented in FA mod you are using now but not yet in the lobby.
You will be able to build them where you want, but they won't stay on the map (maybe I will change my mind on that, but very unlikely).

I have nothing more to say, I keep repeating myself

Also, why asking for stuff is nice, I'm not planning to add anything more than what I've planned. I'm already working on all free time on this and this has to stop at some point.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 10 Jan 2014, 01:54

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T01:55:19+02:00

and if we are able to out the PD outside of the base?

or by placing on the GW lobby(in some places in the base)

or by having some vehicles that morph into Turrets?

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 10 Jan 2014, 01:50

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T01:25:05+02:00

It's already in the game, you just don't have the interface yet.

But it's very different than planetary defense. Planetary defense stays there as long as they are not destroyed.

And more importantly : They are there to .. defend. No attack.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 10 Jan 2014, 01:25

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-10T01:09:24+02:00

Another possibility would be to bring the PD by a beacon, like reinforcements. civ-ally-SCU with fabricator upgrade building the pd for you on the desired spot. The SCU could be taken out midway through transporting, and it would be hard to build the beacon in someone's base anyways (if the beacon is destroyed before the SCU lands, the 'call-in' is cancelled. After building is canceled the SCU recalls. HP of the SCU could be also adjusted(?)

This way PDs can be built for free in designed spots, but prevented from being built to far in, as the ACU would have to be present to put the PD 'beacon'.

Statistics: Posted by Szakalot — 10 Jan 2014, 01:09

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-09T23:17:53+02:00

Defenses are for defenses, not for having free resources.

They exists so your recall zone is safe. T1 PD has a role for that, T2 even more.
Also T1 AA, and you don't have to worry about bomber rushes.

As T1 are dirt cheap, I think they still have a role.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 09 Jan 2014, 23:17

Re: Using defensive structures for their mass

2014-01-09T23:10:11+02:00

What?
What's the point of making them then? Single aa turret, maybe a t2 pd if small map and there is no point putting more defences down
If they could be placed wherever I would be fine with the unreclaimable pd but since you can't I think it's a fair use of them...

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 09 Jan 2014, 23:10