Gorton wrote:
Problems:
1: You try to push 3-4 t2 pd, a small army and a t2 acu with t1 tanks and your gun acu not once but thrice, failing each time and giving reclaim
2: You see he has t2, and don't go t2 yourself until he has tml 6+ t2 mex.
3: Continuing to spam t1 out of 6+ factories at minute 17, after the third attempt to break a couple of t2 pds.
Most important : You made mongeese. This is only allowed against aurora, or if trolling.
There's more, but these are important to focus on.
Solutions:
Don't try to push such a strong fort with t1 tanks and gun acu. When you see t2, you go t2 yourself, quickly. Build tmd asap around your hq and core mex.
When you see you can't push him, scout and see if he's got mobile forces. If not, you can stop making your t1 tanks. If you like, just leave some factories around so if you absolutely need to you can spam some more t1.
Upgrade some of those factories to t2 and make mml. A group of 10 will break his defence in about a minute.
You had such a stupid mass advantage by the aforementioned minute 17 that if you hadn't been wasting some, you could have 3-4 t3 mex as core. Or a t3 hq with percies ready. Percies > t2 pd, and his later t2 army.
Also, try drops.
Something else is that if you have a fight, if you start it, plan how you're going to benefit from that fight. I.e if you start a fight somewhere, it is usually to take expansions, raid, etc. If you start a fight like that, you should expect to win, or why would you start it ! It's bad to lose those fights, as the reclaim field remains. So, go for wins in fights if you can, get engies going there beforehand. Reclaim reclaim.
Problems:
1: You try to push 3-4 t2 pd, a small army and a t2 acu with t1 tanks and your gun acu not once but thrice, failing each time and giving reclaim
2: You see he has t2, and don't go t2 yourself until he has tml 6+ t2 mex.
3: Continuing to spam t1 out of 6+ factories at minute 17, after the third attempt to break a couple of t2 pds.
Most important : You made mongeese. This is only allowed against aurora, or if trolling.
There's more, but these are important to focus on.
Solutions:
Don't try to push such a strong fort with t1 tanks and gun acu. When you see t2, you go t2 yourself, quickly. Build tmd asap around your hq and core mex.
When you see you can't push him, scout and see if he's got mobile forces. If not, you can stop making your t1 tanks. If you like, just leave some factories around so if you absolutely need to you can spam some more t1.
Upgrade some of those factories to t2 and make mml. A group of 10 will break his defence in about a minute.
You had such a stupid mass advantage by the aforementioned minute 17 that if you hadn't been wasting some, you could have 3-4 t3 mex as core. Or a t3 hq with percies ready. Percies > t2 pd, and his later t2 army.
Also, try drops.
Something else is that if you have a fight, if you start it, plan how you're going to benefit from that fight. I.e if you start a fight somewhere, it is usually to take expansions, raid, etc. If you start a fight like that, you should expect to win, or why would you start it ! It's bad to lose those fights, as the reclaim field remains. So, go for wins in fights if you can, get engies going there beforehand. Reclaim reclaim.
Good wisdom Gorton, thank you. Especially that last bit about thinking about the cost/benefit of where to fight your battles. Recently I think I've been playing slightly better since I've come back, because I've been thinking about where the reclaim field is going to "land" after the battle and thinking about the viability of getting to it compared to my opponent, etc.
biass wrote:
Lets have a word about this:
You're not acting on what you see with your very limited scouting, this enemy has done nothing but failures at this moment (has not made a tank yet, t2 mex in the middle of nowhere) but you decided to make some random pds in mid (that you now lost to random atys when you had 20 tanks next to them????????????????) when you could have actually done something with your units and acu far earlier and probably won
TL;DR You either A: don't scout enough, B: You dont actually look for what is happening when you scout or C: dont react to it properly, which is because of A or B
Other notes:
You have a rally point that leads into his 1st pd's range, all your new units just get killed before you notice they exist
You haven't taken top yet, despite defending it from him since for ages
You lost 2 t1 pds and 2 t1 factories to 3 t1 artys, what
Still unsure why you try to turtle outside his base on empty ground
You're not spending you mass OR your power
Don't cap ANY t2 mexes with mass storage until all your other safe t1 mexes are t2, mass storage is expensive for no real early game benefit
That -24 mass to make mass storage with all those engies, around half of your income
You're not scouting at all now, and all your air is AFK in base
You need to be making radars, not just one in your base
You're losing fights because you have 1 tanks defending and then another 50 afk in random corners of the map
You got gun a Long long time after seeing he has t2, did you really think this would work?
You raided his back but were not paying attention and he reclaimed your tank, lmao
You have no unit micro and trade horribly against lesser amounts of tanks because you sit them in his LOBO range for no reason (you dont scout)
Despite having 50 tanks to "defend" top right you lost the core mass to 2 tanks, nice no radars
You haven't reacted to the TML despite him shooting you for 10 minutes, you know you have air (he hasn't made more then 5 interceptors all game) try bombers
Sending 2 t1 tanks against 4 pds wont save you
Sending your interceptors over his base wont save you either
Don't scout with your interceptors
I stopped watching after 14 minutes, it was just a failure, sorry about that
Work on your scouting.
Hiya I like your simple A, B and C anology. I have been watching the replays of some of my recent games and I have come to the same general conclusion. Scouting (and looking at what you are actually scouting) is very micro intensive, though. It means taking about 5 seconds out of microing which at critical moments in the game is nerve wrecking, if not detrimental. The reason for A, B and C points as you correctly identified is a result of having low APM which means I've got to use my APM carefully.
I feel like I am worried about running out of APM which leads me to panic slightly and not be able to "think straight" during an engagement.
Those other observations you listed below are also a combination of "APM anxiety" and the aforementioned "thinking in treacle" effect.
Lieutenant Lich wrote:
It's not that, you need to scout and look at what the scout shows you. Then you won't put your rally points in T1 PD's range, you will know exactly how many tanks you need and where, you will know if your enemy goes for tech, more units, ACU upgrade, or ecowhores. When you know what he is doing, you will know what you will need to do (or you will figure out a way to counter it in time).
It's all true. Sometimes I can pull it off, but sometimes there is so much going on that even if something is in plain sight I simply don't notice it. It's not been unheard of for me to be microing a battle and then notice chaos in my base from a run by or a drop!
tallian2 wrote:Flynn wrote:I often find if I scout then I fall behind in other areas such as ecoing and microing my units. When the game gets past about 5 minutes I just don't have the APM to do all of them. Or I am doing something else when the scout plane flies over and I miss it.
This is when knowing travel or build times is important. The simple method is:
Send scout/units to where you need them
Set up build queue while they travel
Watch scout/micro units while it build queue completes
Repeat.
It is a lot harder to master than it sounds.
Something that I find helps me is to start all mexes upgrade then pause them all. Have a bunch of engies upgrade them one at a time but have them all queued. Save the engie group (eg 0) then you can quickly pause/unpause the group as needed and any eco overflow is quickly dumped back into your eco expansion.
Tall
I think I do the idea you mentioned about queuing buildings and orders when the scout is flying subconsciously, to a degree, anyway. But I haven't thought of using engineer groupings other than as a "mex upgrading team" before, so I need to implement that! It would be really useful for managing eco, especially late game. So thanks, for those ideas and they are areas I can definitely improve up on!
RoLa wrote:
One thing that helped me a lot was too zoom out as much and as often as possible.
One other thing on bigger maps in mid - late game: make one T1 air factory just producing scouts forever. Put the waypoints patrol points so that the scouts fly over your controlled teritorry so they patrol without to get shot. Every minute you send some scouts to explore enemy base.
I know this tactic, I have seen many a player use it in the late game, but it does seem a bit cheap and wasteful. Think of the K/D ratio! I know what you mean, though. I think it's a good one in certain situations, but with all those scouts flying around, can become a nightmare finding other units. I also find I have this problem when building mass engineers, as well.
Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 30 Apr 2020, 17:41
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