Forged Alliance Forever

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-08-24T03:37:44+02:00

Ah well, I guess we can all learn from the school of Combined Arms.. Air Defence is essential at all stages of action.

Statistics: Posted by snuffles — 24 Aug 2016, 03:37

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-08-20T23:39:09+02:00

Hey, I just played beta patch as sera against a sera sorian AI (noone joined for 20 min ;_;). And I have news: t1 bombers are now deadly. They no turn on a very tight angle, almost immideatly after droping the bomb. My game looked like this: making first bomber -> scouting AI making 3 pgens in a clump -> sending bomber on pgens, not microing it at all. Bomber making 2 passes brutally quickly, doing 3rd as MAA rolls off. Killing power. Flying away from MAA. GG. The dps on unmoving target is like twice as high now! Comparing non-micro situations, I mean. And MAA still doesnt drop bomber outright. Conclusion: if you see the bomber as he drops his bomb on pgens, they will die before insta-qued MAA rolls off and kills the bomber. And thats without microing the bomber!

Ofc scouting out the bomber or assisting factory on MAA prevents power loss. But overall bombers are stronger now and first bomber is still wrecking if opponent reacts sloppy. It just needs no micro now ..

Statistics: Posted by Bittered — 20 Aug 2016, 23:39

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-08-15T03:22:35+02:00

Well that is pretty much exactly what you ought to be doing.

For early single bomber attacks, with a single recon flight 15 seconds in advance, you will be required to use an attack que. If you want to fine tune your bombing attack on the fly, then this is going to cost you. You need to have close intel support. Which means microing not just the bomber, but, the air scout as well.

With the single advanced recon flight you must rely on a command que. But let's also not forget that if you can gather intel from all aircraft involved in the attack. whether that be the interceptors flying top cover, or other bombers who are also attacking. As you have more aircraft saturating the area the mutual intel should help you in finding targets. So yes. Sending the right number and type of aircraft, and using them correctly, are important considerations. As their interdependency is now increased.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 15 Aug 2016, 03:22

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-08-15T00:05:39+02:00

I do want to remark that I have scout patrolling over enemy base before bomber arrives. I can just que attack orders as scout flies by, but .... the cherry is in microing bomber and in process, requeing attack orders. With radar its ok, targets were scouted. Without: you know where they are but cant put attack order. You need a scout to fly by or in some way keep it next to a bomber to micro turns. Ofc you can just use bombers field of vision, but it is rather small.

Statistics: Posted by Bittered — 15 Aug 2016, 00:05

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-08-14T19:39:18+02:00

If only there was a cheap unit you could build for superior intel

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 14 Aug 2016, 19:39

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-08-14T16:33:36+02:00

Sorry, for ressurection, I just played with t1 bomber in beta ...
Tried to get familiar with sera, discovered how easy to hoverbomb are their bombers, had some real fun.
Then played beta and got shocked by lack of radar .... First bomber is evil, it makes me rage. But ....
when you micro bomber you dont micro anything else. And first bomber screws up the buildorder. The issue for opponenet was weak mma that couldnt drop the bomber fast. Since it is no more, them why no radar on bomber? Microing it is time-consuming already with no radar its just a pain, especially since t1 mma got stronger and bomber lifespan is not so long anymore.

Statistics: Posted by Bittered — 14 Aug 2016, 16:33

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-08-08T11:46:41+02:00

JaggedAppliance wrote:
I would make the turning circle a bit larger again.

Exaktli what i say when i see it, while i test number what are in beta for half year and it need 15sec to rotate from 10s as it is in beta from 30s as is in standard.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 08 Aug 2016, 11:46

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-08-08T07:00:01+02:00

What about significantly increasing the bomber's reload time?

Statistics: Posted by snuffles — 08 Aug 2016, 07:00

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-07-30T05:41:53+02:00

Phelom wrote:
This is a game showing how t1 maa buff is a BS

http://content.faforever.com/faf/vault/replay_vault/replay.php?id=4990382

You're actually trying to use this as an argument?
Its pretty easy to kill someone with whatever you choose when they have nothing

What if i said "hue le sprit op ples buff" because i picked off some guy who had no tanks with them?

This is a joke, i really hope
[Edit] you actually think this strat is working? mass for mass you're getting ruined son

Statistics: Posted by biass — 30 Jul 2016, 05:41

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-07-29T23:58:55+02:00

This is a game showing how t1 maa buff is a BS

http://content.faforever.com/faf/vault/replay_vault/replay.php?id=4990382

Statistics: Posted by Phelom — 29 Jul 2016, 23:58

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-07-29T17:59:42+02:00

The bomber change is pretty large but overall i think it's a good one. I like that they are more useful against units and I think the micro can be more interesting than before. I see the benefits of removing radar, it's an interesting nerf in my opinion, making early bomber attacks more difficult. However, I don't know how many people will just find that change annoying.
Hoverbombing is removed but the way it was removed allows for different micro because the bombers turn much faster. I never really had a problem with hoverbombing but I prefer the micro of this bomber, it's more difficult but potentially more powerful imo. That's the issue I have with the new bomber, I think it's too powerful right now but the ideas are good. I would make the turning circle a bit larger again.
Edit: I think first bomber will be more common because you don't need much or any micro to do decent damage.

Similar story with the maa, the unit feels much better, much more useful. But I think it's probably too good. I'd like them to have lower hp, maybe allow aeon maa to be one shot by some bombers(t2 land cost and buildtime has gone up which is a plus for aeon's t1 stage imo). The faster uef and sera maa can dodge alot of damage quite easily. You can circle dodge vs gunships forever barring some groundfire and dodging bombers is also easier thanks to their speed.

Statistics: Posted by JaggedAppliance — 29 Jul 2016, 17:59

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-07-29T11:22:14+02:00

I moved the thread from balance testing to public balance discussion.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 29 Jul 2016, 11:22

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-07-29T10:46:44+02:00

Also, much of the point of this is to hurt the power of extremely early bombers. You know, the ones where you don't already have stuff scouted? Given this reaction, I'd say mission successful!

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 29 Jul 2016, 10:46

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-07-29T05:12:20+02:00

Have you tried using the bomber in a 1v1 yet?

Statistics: Posted by biass — 29 Jul 2016, 05:12

Re: T1 Bomber/Mobile AA

2016-07-29T01:29:52+02:00

I understand that it is the first 3 min of the game. You still build a scout. Considering how critical it is to locate targets and make effective use of the bomber a scout is always a good choice. Now it is even more important. TBH I'm much rather have a better turning bomber, even without radar.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 29 Jul 2016, 01:29