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Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T21:13:18+02:00

Phelom wrote:
By the way, is the spooky unitdb updated according to new patches ?

No.
There are also some minor miscalculations in the spooky db.

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 04 Sep 2016, 21:13

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T21:04:39+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
PhilipJFry wrote:ah yes the infamous t1 uef shocker

Oh right yes. Good catch. I meant the Scorcher.

By the way, is the spooky unitdb updated according to new patches ?

Statistics: Posted by Phelom — 04 Sep 2016, 21:04

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T20:42:00+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
ah yes the infamous t1 uef shocker

Oh right yes. Good catch. I meant the Scorcher.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 04 Sep 2016, 20:42

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T19:00:59+02:00

Thank you guys

Speed2

speed2 wrote:
If you really were a UEF player you would not give a single f*** about any bomber changes cause you had UEF bomber available, or Janus....
And since Sparky or Percy didn't get nerfed it was a good patch in the eyes of a UEF player.

i dont complain about UEF bomber but about Bomber/MAA in general, i saw that like an abuse of balancing and i raged because of the suddent changes, which makes favor for noobs,

Also, i like UEF but i play most with Cybran (ladder), UEF in temgames.. and some of aeon and sera, (but i hate aeon)

UEF is cool

Statistics: Posted by Phelom — 04 Sep 2016, 19:00

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T16:18:27+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
Shocker = UEF T1 Bomber. You know what those are right?

ah yes the infamous t1 uef shocker

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 04 Sep 2016, 16:18

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T16:01:37+02:00

biass wrote:
Hawkei wrote:
biass wrote:Or in the off chance you're playing someone who doesn't micro aurora properly ^.^

Aurora ain't the only units which can be microed. Usually, doing a little zig-zag dance as you close in on the Aurora is all that is required. Also, distractions, pins, pincers, and advancing behind terrain also work. It can be tricky sometimes, but, I usually don't have much difficulty with this.

i know about zigzagging to dodge shots
but you can do some nice micro to dodge shots hella easy with aurora too

but who cares anyways now you have nice bombers just go air only xD

With Striker vs. Aurora I don't just close to firing range. I close to point blank range. Your Aurora dodging skills will do you no good at those ranges. I find this tactic works best with smaller groups of units. Best suited to early game aggression with multiple simultaneous attacks between small groups of units. The other advantage of multiple simultaneous attacks is that it is far more micro intensive for the Aeon player. Because you can't micro three separate armies simultaneously. Whereas all I need to do is issue 3 move orders... The answer for UEF vs. Aeon T1 is to turn the battle into a macro oriented one. You will find Aeon far less effective then.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 04 Sep 2016, 16:01

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T15:55:24+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
biass wrote:Or in the off chance you're playing someone who doesn't micro aurora properly ^.^

Aurora ain't the only units which can be microed. Usually, doing a little zig-zag dance as you close in on the Aurora is all that is required. Also, distractions, pins, pincers, and advancing behind terrain also work. It can be tricky sometimes, but, I usually don't have much difficulty with this.

i know about zigzagging to dodge shots
but you can do some nice micro to dodge shots hella easy with aurora too

but who cares anyways now you have nice bombers just go air only xD

Statistics: Posted by biass — 04 Sep 2016, 15:55

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T15:57:38+02:00

biass wrote:
Or in the off chance you're playing someone who doesn't micro aurora properly ^.^

Aurora ain't the only units which can be microed. Usually, doing a little zig-zag dance as you close in on the Aurora is all that is required. Also, distractions, pins, pincers, and advancing behind terrain also work. It can be tricky sometimes, but, I usually don't have much difficulty with this.

Edit:

Ok, 1) Shockers?
2) You try to attack aurora and you get raped, end of story

1) Shocker = UEF T1 Bomber. You know what those are right?
2) I'm only speaking from my own personal experience - and I haven't had any great issues. Yes I will loose a battle from time to time, but will usually dish out at least as much punishment (if not more) against Aeon. Going up against Aeon or Seraphim, as UEF, in the T1 phase is when I feel most confident.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 04 Sep 2016, 15:53

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T15:48:16+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
NapSpan wrote:Well...now I have to learn how to kill Aeon with my T1 tech since I basically built mongooses by tons since start...but its ok.

Dude, killing Aurora is easy. All you need to do is make sure that you have more Strikers and then "bum rush" him. Basically, you send your Strikers on a suicide mission, but, if they can make favourable trades in Aurora you can still come out on top. The only problem is when you allow the Aeon to accumulate large numbers of Aurora - and this is where the Shockers really come into their own... Especially with the new changes, Shockers are deadly against Aurora now.

Ok, 1) Shockers?
2) You try to attack aurora and you get raped, end of story

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 04 Sep 2016, 15:48

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T15:45:24+02:00

Hawkei wrote:
NapSpan wrote:Well...now I have to learn how to kill Aeon with my T1 tech since I basically built mongooses by tons since start...but its ok.

Dude, killing Aurora is easy. All you need to do is make sure that you have more Strikers and then "bum rush" him. Basically, you send your Strikers on a suicide mission, but, if they can make favourable trades in Aurora you can still come out on top. The only problem is when you allow the Aeon to accumulate large numbers of Aurora - and this is where the Shockers really come into their own... Especially with the new changes, Shockers are deadly against Aurora now.

Or in the off chance you're playing someone who doesn't micro aurora properly ^.^

Statistics: Posted by biass — 04 Sep 2016, 15:45

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T15:43:57+02:00

NapSpan wrote:
Well...now I have to learn how to kill Aeon with my T1 tech since I basically built mongooses by tons since start...but its ok.

Dude, killing Aurora is easy. All you need to do is make sure that you have more Strikers and then "bum rush" him. Basically, you send your Strikers on a suicide mission, but, if they can make favourable trades in Aurora you can still come out on top. The only problem is when you allow the Aeon to accumulate large numbers of Aurora - and this is where the Shockers really come into their own... Especially with the new changes, Shockers are deadly against Aurora now.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 04 Sep 2016, 15:43

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T11:36:13+02:00

Well...now I have to learn how to kill Aeon with my T1 tech since I basically built mongooses by tons since start...but its ok.

Statistics: Posted by NapSpan — 04 Sep 2016, 11:36

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T09:38:04+02:00

In fact it was a very good patch for uef. Later t2 means for uef they can enjoy a bit longer t1 strength. Uef t1 bomber is the most deadly against t1 units since no other t1 bomber can kill enemy tanks with a single pass. UEF cant be killed with 1 attack. Aeon bombers even need 2 attacks to kill a lobo now. I think against aeon could be a solution to get more t1 arti and more micro. Everything looks fine not to say great for me so far. And i didnt suffer from t2 acu nerf at all at least in 1v1. Teamgames i didnt really have so far.

And very nice to hear that you play again phelom because we need you

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 04 Sep 2016, 09:38

Re: Phelom is back

2016-09-04T08:56:14+02:00

If you really were a UEF player you would not give a single f*** about any bomber changes cause you had UEF bomber available, or Janus....
And since Sparky or Percy didn't get nerfed it was a good patch in the eyes of a UEF player.

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 04 Sep 2016, 08:56

Phelom is back

2016-09-04T02:08:55+02:00

Hi Commanders

After a long discussion with High Balance authority(ies), i've decided to allow myself play this shit balance patch and try to see what i've missed, give a chance to the patch and try to, if possible, see if the t1 bomber/maa is a good balance.

this does not mean that i've changed my original opinion, but it's good to melt fun, tests and debates

so, comon comon... u'll not stop the UEF...

Statistics: Posted by Phelom — 04 Sep 2016, 02:08