What if.. (mercy idea, beware)

[BlackFish]

Mercies were T3 (with a t3 pricetag), got a small speed buff so that they fly maybe ASF speed, and were really vulnerable somehow to T3 AA? (like, sera t3 aa auto targeting them and shooting them down first thing). This would hopefully make them a bit less likely to show up in the midgame phase of the game and make it a lategame air unit like the strat bomber.

[Sunder]

"Somehow vulnerable" <- You'd have to actually elaborate, and t3 AA is pretty slow to get off the ground.

I generally like the idea of mercies being vulnerable to forward placed t1 AA, and that's the current implementation.

What's wrong with a t2 unit being useful late game? T2 AA and Mobile Shield/Stealth Fields are useful late game. Should we weaken them too?

Why do people cry so much about Mercies? They're very easy to counter, and although annoying en-mass, if you haven't got any air or anti-air up, you're doing something wrong.

[uberge3k]

This idea was already proposed and discussed in one of the 10 other mercy threads. TLDR version: this would simply nerf mercies into uselessness.

Why do people cry so much about Mercies? They're very easy to counter, and although annoying en-mass, if you haven't got any air or anti-air up, you're doing something wrong.

More elaborate version: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=414

(sorry, couldn't resist )

[FunkOff]

got a small speed buff so that they fly maybe ASF speed

Mercy max speed is 10, ASF is 25. Is 150% a "small buff"?

Also, mercies are already highpriair, which means all AA units will, when given a choice, shoot them first.

[Pavese]

Why do people cry so much about Mercies? They're very easy to counter, and although annoying en-mass, if you haven't got any air or anti-air up, you're doing something wrong.

Mainly cause Mercys have such a huge attack range, that they tend to give a shit about slow projectile AA (pretty much every AA in the game). Thats why Mercys need an attack range nerf.

[Kryo]

got a small speed buff so that they fly maybe ASF speed

Mercy max speed is 10, ASF is 25. Is 150% a "small buff"?

Also, mercies are already highpriair, which means all AA units will, when given a choice, shoot them first.

when given a choice made me think about something:

given a interceptor is flying in front of the mercy, it will come into aa range first. will aa switch to mercy immediately if it comes into range, or will it first kill the int and then switch target?

I think it will first kill the int and then switch, which is a problem, isnt it? would this be fixable?

[Sunder]

got a small speed buff so that they fly maybe ASF speed

Mercy max speed is 10, ASF is 25. Is 150% a "small buff"?

Also, mercies are already highpriair, which means all AA units will, when given a choice, shoot them first.

when given a choice made me think about something:

given a interceptor is flying in front of the mercy, it will come into aa range first. will aa switch to mercy immediately if it comes into range, or will it first kill the int and then switch target?

I think it will first kill the int and then switch, which is a problem, isnt it? would this be fixable?

Probably not, just imagine the abuse:

T2 Mobile AA sees Fighter-Bomber and tries to stop; Mercy is microed in; T2 Mobile AA moves turret to fire at Mercy; Mercy is microed out, wasting the AA's efforts, and leaving a Fighter Bomber doing serious damage to units.

[Kryo]

Probably not, just imagine the abuse:

T2 Mobile AA sees Fighter-Bomber and tries to stop; Mercy is microed in; T2 Mobile AA moves turret to fire at Mercy; Mercy is microed out, wasting the AA's efforts, and leaving a Fighter Bomber doing serious damage to units.

the mercy is the problem not the fighter bomber. If someone would waste a mercy to distract aa from a fb this would waste of mass

[Sunder]

Probably not, just imagine the abuse:

T2 Mobile AA sees Fighter-Bomber and tries to stop; Mercy is microed in; T2 Mobile AA moves turret to fire at Mercy; Mercy is microed out, wasting the AA's efforts, and leaving a Fighter Bomber doing serious damage to units.

the mercy is the problem not the fighter bomber. If someone would waste a mercy to distract aa from a fb this would waste of mass

"Microed out" <- The mercy isn't wasted at all.

[Kryo]

Probably not, just imagine the abuse:

T2 Mobile AA sees Fighter-Bomber and tries to stop; Mercy is microed in; T2 Mobile AA moves turret to fire at Mercy; Mercy is microed out, wasting the AA's efforts, and leaving a Fighter Bomber doing serious damage to units.

the mercy is the problem not the fighter bomber. If someone would waste a mercy to distract aa from a fb this would waste of mass

"Microed out" <- The mercy isn't wasted at all.

yeah you cant micro out a mercy. it is turning too slow and probably would be hit by the AA before you can micro it out