Suggestions for the drafting of new conduct/irc rules.

[VioletAnia]

Hello guys!

So recently there has been some debate to kicks and bans where players have said that there should be better rules and we (the moderation team) ca not simply say that they are skirting the rules where upon others have said use common sense and the offenders should not be anywhere near the edge!
What is right and wrong as well as common sense is perceived differently through everyone so it is in my intention to draft up a set of rules that will embody but also extend upon the current rules to make them clearer.
Hopefully, this will make the moderation of the IRC more consistent as well as make it more obvious to players what is acceptable and what's not.
Of course where will always be situations where it's up to a moderators discretion as there are no rules or precedence but this new draft seeks to minimize those situations.
As part of the moderation team, we want everyone to enjoy their time in the FAF community and so if you guys have any suggestion on who you think the rules could be improved i would be more than happy to listen!
If your suggestions do not make it into the draft, I'd be happy to explain why!

The current rules are here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=581

Thank you for your time, i hope the new rules that will be drafted for preview at a later date will meet everyone's exceptions of what is clear and just!

Kind regards,
Violet Ania <3

[Blodir]

If you are found to possess, distribute or intentionally link to illegally obtained materials or materials that violate the rights of the copyright holder, your account will be terminated.

I think this section seems a bit silly. Why should FAF care if you possess "illegally obtained material"? We are not the police. Also we want FAF to have more than 10 players

[biass]

Discussing moderator decisions in public chat is discouraged. You are free to bring up any actions taken by moderators against you or others in private messages to any moderator or all the moderators at once through the IRC Moderator usergroup here on the forums. If the past is any indication discussing these matters in public will almost always lead to trolling.

If this gets you banned, which it always does, please make it read like it will earn you bans, not 'discouraged'

I also think this rule is very suppressive and is full of cases where bigoted and biassed responses were given to legitimate appeals

But that is even further reason to support the idea of moderator liaison's discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11898

Also, maybe add harsher rules on ban evasions

Spoiler: show

they're dishonourable and none of the people branded as 'trolls' like doing it

[Blodir]

biass: I never got banned for discussing moderator actions in Aeolus (or anything else for that matter), and I have done so many times in the past

[VioletAnia]

Discussing moderator decisions in public chat is discouraged. You are free to bring up any actions taken by moderators against you or others in private messages to any moderator or all the moderators at once through the IRC Moderator usergroup here on the forums. If the past is any indication discussing these matters in public will almost always lead to trolling.

If this gets you banned, which it always does, please make it read like it will earn you bans, not 'discouraged'

I also think this rule is very suppressive and is full of cases where bigoted and biassed responses were given to legitimate appeals

But that is even further reason to support the idea of moderator liaison's discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11898

Also, maybe add harsher rules on ban evasions

Spoiler: show

they're dishonourable and none of the people branded as 'trolls' like doing it

I'm sorry but that is a completely and utterly incorrect, aside from the days you decided to follow my every moderation with "ＨＥＲＥＳＹ ＧＲＯＷＳ ＦＲＯＭ ＩＤＬＥＮＥＳＳ" or the other times you make a hitler or nazi comment after as little as me saying "/me looks at the language" or "english guys... =)". Have i ever kicked or even warned you about it?
I mean i get a lot of criticism from you, whether you're calling myself and the moderation team the next donald trumps, or telling me off when i said don't use "grill" to refer to girls or when you said that mods are always afk..... in which i replied no we're not.
What about all the times people say that i'm too nice and i should just kick or ban someone then i spend ages explaining to people why i'm not kicking or banning and explaining to the offender why they shouldn't do that??? I think it's a bit odd for you to say that people just get automatically banned for discussing moderator actions when there are prime examples where moderators and myself have actually spent ages discussing why we did what we did *cough* when i kicked blackheart from aeolus for saying "smoke weed everyday"

We take what people say as their opinions, if it's useful, we take it into account, if we find it unreasonable, well it's your opinion.

But the reason that is there is for when people go over board and it takes up the whole of aeolus chat. Aeolus is meant to be a fun place where people can discuss the game, ask questions, find streams, casts and invite people to games. It's not a place to be arguing over a mod decision for and hour or so in my opinion, but again, once i write the draft, it will be up for review by both the public and the moderation team so you guys will have a say if i do not word it adequately =)

[biass]

Discussing moderator decisions in public chat is discouraged. You are free to bring up any actions taken by moderators against you or others in private messages to any moderator or all the moderators at once through the IRC Moderator usergroup here on the forums. If the past is any indication discussing these matters in public will almost always lead to trolling.

If this gets you banned, which it always does, please make it read like it will earn you bans, not 'discouraged'

I also think this rule is very suppressive and is full of cases where bigoted and biassed responses were given to legitimate appeals

But that is even further reason to support the idea of moderator liaison's discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11898

Also, maybe add harsher rules on ban evasions

Spoiler: show

they're dishonourable and none of the people branded as 'trolls' like doing it

I'm sorry but that is a completely and utterly incorrect, aside from the days you decided to follow my every moderation with "ＨＥＲＥＳＹ ＧＲＯＷＳ ＦＲＯＭ ＩＤＬＥＮＥＳＳ" or the other times you make a hitler or nazi comment after as little as me saying "/me looks at the language" or "english guys... =)". Have i ever kicked or even warned you about it?
What about all the times people say that i'm too nice and i should just kick or ban someone then i spend ages explaining to people why i'm not kicking or banning and explaining to the offender why they shouldn't do that??? I think it's a bit odd for you to say that people just get automatically banned for discussing moderator actions when there are prime examples where moderators and myself have actually spent ages discussing why we did what we did *cough* when i kicked blackheart from aeolus for saying "smoke weed everyday"

But the reason that is there is for when people go over board and it takes up the whole of aeolus chat. Aeolus is meant to be a fun place where people can discuss the game, ask questions, find streams, casts and invite people to games. It's not a place to be arguing over a mod decision for and hour or so in my opinion, but again, once i write the draft, it will be up for review by both the public and the moderation team so you guys will have a say if i do not word it adequately =)

Please remember i am not the other Bias....

Maybe time to hit the brakes a little between you an i, for one:
the text is a unrelated quote from an unrelated game, and i had never used the quote in any context related to your actions as moderator

two:
I have not made any nazi comments towards moderator actions, and any comment made towards you after a /me use is in a joking manner and not to be taken seriously

three: yes you have warned me, and threatened bans also, and the reason you have not kicked me from any channel was because you didnt have the power to on that specific channel, but we already moved past that 'incident'

four:
people think you should kick certain people because unfortunately the people know what they are doing in their actions and will not stop/learn in anyway.. (some example being the person who preformed multiple ban evasions recently)

five:
Im not saying that people get auto banned, i am specifically referring to cases in the admin actions thread where something has come under "discussing moderator actions"
I believe anyone should have the ability to speak out against anything they find unjust...

and finally six:
Aeolus is used to discuss literally everything, people speak for hours about their pc's ww2, and even dealing with hour long spamming about flat earth theory.. i think talking anything relevant to the faf community should be allowed..

oh and blodir, again, i reference cases in the actions thread

[Hascins]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grill
why is that a problem?

Talking about moderators decisions. Although I really hate when people do it because everybody in question usually knows why the decision was made, it should still be possible to discuss about it in public.

[VioletAnia]

Duly noted, i will discuss with voodoo and the other mods to see what they see fit on that issue ^^ i'm just the middle man >.<

[mirroredwang]

dont turn into SJW nazis


we are still on the internet after all

[briang]

You people don't understand that aeolus isn't the place to appeal your Lenny ban. It isn't people legitimately complaining, it's trolls crying about their friend who has to find something else to do for a week.

I agree on the ban evasion rules though. It should quadruple your ban time minimum.

People have been so far forebearing with you on these threads. But considering you're a top level aeolus troll I struggle to understand why you think we ought to value your opinion when you've already proven you're utterly misguided.