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Ladder Play

Postby X-Peri-MENTAL » 05 May 2013, 20:40

Since the last change to ladder scoring a new playing behaviour has developed. Basically, to some players the ladder is the be all and end all so the aim is to spam as many games as possible, if you have a poor win rate say 1 in 10 it doesn’t matter so long as you can play more than 10 games for every one a player with a 100% win rate has, and you will top them. So, to climb the ladder you need to squeeze more games into your available time, which means as soon as a game doesn’t look like it is going your way, quit and search for a new one and hope you get an easier ride. As the match marker to me seems quite good then 50% of the time you should win, you just need to quit as soon as possible when you think you are going to be placed in a game that is the other 50% that you lose.

There are now players topping the ladder with over 3,000 games! I found this figure quite amazing. If you add the number of games played by the top seven players on the 1v1 ranking you still won’t break 3,000 games.

I am not saying the scoring system is wrong, just that this is an interesting side effect.
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Re: Ladder Play

Postby Ze_PilOt » 05 May 2013, 20:55

1v1 ranking and the league system are different.

But yes, the idea of the league system was to make people playing more 1v1, so I think it's actually a good thing :)
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Re: Ladder Play

Postby Swkoll » 05 May 2013, 21:31

bah, league system is meaningless anyway. Ladder and Global rating are the only things that matter.
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Re: Ladder Play

Postby rootbeer23 » 05 May 2013, 21:42

Swkoll wrote:bah, league system is meaningless anyway. Ladder and Global rating are the only things that matter.


i agree. it is still not perfect. for someone like myself, who quits 50% of ladder games right away, depending on map,
the trueskill rating isnt accurate.
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Re: Ladder Play

Postby prodromos » 06 May 2013, 16:08

The rating system is almost perfect and the league system is as accurate as it can be. The latter does allow some distortions, hoping players will overcome their chronic ankylosis about joining games. If this is a side effect, it doesn't matter, except if you can suggest a way to have it all(a perfect ranking system and players willing to play).
We have for the first time , since the publishing of both the supcom vanilla and FA, a promising and broader participation of players. If this is to continue , let them have 10000 games under their belt too.
No more having 500 players in aeolus, only 50 of them actually playing.
I would add, no more 5000 players in your records, only 500 of them actually appearingi n aeolus at a point in time and....
no more 5000 players in the records and only 2000 of them in the ladder and only 1000 of them actually playing the ladder .
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Re: Ladder Play

Postby qai » 17 May 2013, 14:41

maybe hide player names/rank in ladder game
give random name. so they wont quit 50% ('lost') of the games
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Re: Ladder Play

Postby Hamstie » 17 May 2013, 15:25

qai wrote:maybe hide player names/rank in ladder game
give random name. so they wont quit 50% ('lost') of the games


Dont do this. I think most people, myself included, like to know who they are playing against and his rank. Besides, I dont see the problem in players quitting. Lets say they quit 50% of the games. Then they still need to win those other 50%. Besides, correct me if Im wrong but winning against a lower ranked player is less valued according to the system then winning agianst higer ranked player.

And lets just assume they get to the top of ranked because of all the quitting. They will have to play all the pros.Then we have 2 options.

1. Because of their high rating they keep getting paired op with pros and they lose. They will drop in rating.

2. Because of their high rating they keep getting paired op with pros and they fare well against them. If they can compete with the pros they deserve to be ranked as such and there isnt a problem.
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Re: Ladder Play

Postby Cuddles » 17 May 2013, 16:39

Again this kind of thing. Why? E-peen? I don't get it.

I haven't been here long, but isn't there a system where you can report players?
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Re: Ladder Play

Postby ColonelSheppard » 17 May 2013, 17:16

Under wrote:I haven't been here long, but isn't there a system where you can report players?

you talk to a modrator
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