Hypocrasy, Biggitory and Buggery by Toejams

[CelticSoul]

*edited random rant*

Finally ZeP can you please reverse whatever Toejams has done to prevent me from entering chat?

[ProfessorOwnage]

you bmed (bad mouthed) pretty much everyone in the game (including me). You just ranted and raged because you lost and you're continuing it now on the forums. You're a fucking prick, you deserved to be banned, we wont miss you, good riddance.

[Raging_Squirrel]

You seem to be stupid enough if you can't realize why you have gotten banned.

[-_V_-]

This has to be framed and kept for posterity.
Epic post

[Ze_PilOt]

Insulting people is not really the best way to be unbanned.

Now that livereplay and replays show the chat, and everybody can see what you write in game, it's not private anymore with public, so the same rules than chat applies in the game.

I didn't saw what you wrote, but another user reported you to me too. And after seeing this post, I think that a ban of a week can't be bad. You can still play, so behave properly.

And if you have something to say about a moderation issue, do it in PM, not in public (should I add "and not insult anyone ?")

[CelticSoul]

Zep you actually have a valid point concerning livereplay being public now but off course all replays could have been searched for and downloaded of gpg servers anyway at one time. Makes me wonder if in-game chat should have a privacy option ? However concering vetoing people that use offensive language then you need to tread carefully , what one person finds as offensive another finds funny. Who are you to decide how people are to behave or speak. Are you saying that your morally superior to everyone else ? Also you need to realise the use of profanity in ones volcabulary has many different meanings and depending on the inflection can infer very differnet things within the context of the passage.


Other nationallaties dont fully understand the english language and yet they still think that they are quallified to 'police' the use of the english language. I noticed this in GPG offten when admin would chastise some for using profanity while other nations caould chat in their own language and use whatever profanity they wished. It was still a public chat but because of their lack of understanding admin would simply let it go on. This is offcourse unfair. Either all should be punished for proffanity or nobody should. Personally I think all the language I have used I learned in the school playground anyway so whats the fucking point ! And what ever happened to Freedom of Speech ?

[Ze_PilOt]

Zep you actually have a valid point concerning livereplay being public now but off course all replays could have been searched for and downloaded of gpg servers anyway at one time.

But chat is not visible in replay in GPGNet.

Makes me wonder if in-game chat should have a privacy option ?

If you need to say something really private in game, then maybe you shouldn't use in game chat. There is PM in the lobby.

However concering vetoing people that use offensive language then you need to tread carefully , what one person finds as offensive another finds funny.

As long as someone feels offended, it's offensive. If someone is feeling offended by Maverick, it would be the same for him.

Who are you to decide how people are to behave or speak. Are you saying that your morally superior to everyone else ?

See previous answer.

Also you need to realise the use of profanity in ones volcabulary has many different meanings and depending on the inflection can infer very differnet things within the context of the passage.

Then your didn't use the right inflection. You are taking a risk using such language, you must assume the consequences.

I noticed this in GPG offten when admin would chastise some for using profanity while other nations caould chat in their own language and use whatever profanity they wished. It was still a public chat but because of their lack of understanding admin would simply let it go on.

The english chat (Halcyon, Aeolus or the forums) is used by more people. You can create your own chat and use all the words you like in these. But on the official ones, you must play by the book.
The use of any others language in Aeolus (or here) is not allowed, but sometimes tolerated. I've already kicked people for using russian in Aeolus after repeating 3 times to use english.

This is offcourse unfair. Either all should be punished for proffanity or nobody should. Personally I think all the language I have used I learned in the school playground anyway so whats the fucking point ! And what ever happened to Freedom of Speech ?

The moderators are the only judges of what is really offending or not.
You have the freedom of speech.
The moderators have the freedom of kicking your ass.
Try to insult a policeman in the street, you will see where freedom of speech is.

Insulting an admin is not the best way to avoid ban. You don't like Toejams ? Ignore him.

By the way, Gowerly is admin here, and toejams have moderators rights too, so don't be surprise to receive a nice warning message.

[Plasma_Wolf]

First point. CHAT IS Visable in GPG Replays.

Since when? I've watched hundreds of live replays through GPGnet and never seen chat. As for observers it's different.

It's a non-issue though. People were banned from chat there as well, because they were being extremely offensive in-game as well.

Do you really expect people to PM each other whilst playing a game ? Lets say the game is Private and there all friends and there is some friendly abuse being mentioned

Doesn't validate swearing in in-game PMs. Considering the way I talk with my friends, I suppose I could get a warning not to do that in-game, in the worst possible way of teasing each other. Considering this thread, you went far beyond that.

DONT TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY CAN SAY OR DO! YOU DONT HAVE THE FUCKING RIGHT!

Damn right he has. He's got the right to quit and cancel the whole FAF project right now and right here. Not only he's got the right to keep other people's tongue in check, he's got the obligation. He's also got that obligation here on the forums. You agreed to the terms not to be offensive. He wrote those terms so he's agreed to warning/kicking/banning people if they don't meet those terms.

Fourth Point. Again am i to be held accountable to every persons opionion on what is offensive ? I might think french are all fucking queer but i dont try to stop them from sucking each others dicks do i !

No, you're not. As you said by yourself, people don't have to watch programs if all that happens is swearing in it. But you can turn a tv to a different channel or unplug it from the electricity net as a last resort if you want to. However, if you want to play a game or watch a game, inlcuding following the chat for a full coverage of what's happening, then it's going to be a lot harder.

If I want to enjoy watching a World Cup soccer game in the city, I also want to watch it in a nice audience, not with 50% of the people continuously swearing. They're going to be removed as well. Hell, people get removed from a music play in the theatre if their phone rings.

Are you saying that its ok to swear in russian ' for instance' so long as its not in main chat ?

I believe it's fair to swear whatever you want if no one else notices. Like I explained before, mind the others a bit before you go beserk.

So its ok for moderators or admin to use offensive language ?

No

Its ok for them to threaten to 'kick my ass' ?

If you're going to be pedantic, the words "my ass" should be removed, but yes. They have the right to threaten to kick you (a warning) or kick you for the rest of your life (a ban). (Reread the bold text above).

As for toejams. ...... ANSWER ME THAT !

You're proving our point here....

As for the police. Last time the took me down it required over 10 police officers to get me into the back of the cop van. Im dont give a shit about police, or any f*** that trys to tell me what to do. PERIOD! You can all f*** right off !

...And here....

I expect you shall ban me from forums next ...... BYE BYE and UP YOURS!

...And here.

[Ze_PilOt]

First point. CHAT IS Visable in GPG Replays.

No. It was a feature done by moritz in the custom lobby.

Second pont. Do you really expect people to PM each other whilst playing a game ? Lets say the game is Private and there all friends and there is some friendly abuse being mentioned. As was the case with me and NeverRizing5on. Do you think that alt tabbing back to chat and then Pm ing your frined is a valid form of communication when the game designers provide an ingame function for this ? Lets not even go to communication via team speak ! you going to listen in to team speak as well next ?

If it's between friends, nobody would feel "abused", so no problems. And yes, same for TS if you treat someone in the same channel and he feel offended.
And I don't see the point of bashing someone "not your friend" in game.

Third point. If someone is feeling offended then they should cancel the reply. Its the same for many TV programs if you dont like porn dont watch it, if you dont like an old commedy programe that contains racist, offensive language then dont watch it. DONT TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY CAN SAY OR DO! YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT!

- You can't unread something. People are not expecting to read crude language in FAF. It's not like they turn on a porn channel. So your exemple is irrelevant.
- I don't tell what you can say or do. I tell you what I can accept on FAF or not.
If I read something that I don't like, I have the right to ban you, just as you have the right to says it.
If you don't like moderation, don't speak in Aeolus but use another channel.

Fourth Point. Again am i to be held accountable to every persons opionion on what is offensive .

If you can't tell what is appropriate to say in a public place, then it's not a moderation but a mental problem.

Fifth point, You still havent answered this. Are you saying that its ok to swear in russian ' for instance' so long as its not in main chat ? Isnt that hypocritical ?

You can swear in english as long it's not in the main chat too.
In fact, you can do whatever you want in any non-moderated areas.

My language is English , why cant i swear in english ? If you dont like it get out of english cahrt and use your own channel.

Aeolus is not an english chat, but the official and international chat. Fact is that english is the most common language (Esperanto won't make it this century, and spanish and mandarin, even if they are more common, are not widely spread as second language).
And Aeolus under moderation. Create an "Celtic SwearFest Chan" if you like.

Sixth Point, So its ok for moderators or admin to use offensive language ? Its ok for them to threaten to 'kick my ass' ?

You felt offended by that ? Seriously ?

THATS DEFINATELY HYPOCRITICAL!and a complete joke in reality! At this point you have just proven to me and everyone else that its a case of one rule for you and yours and another whole set of rules for everyone else. VIVA LE REVOLUTION !

You are free to build your own alternate GPGNet lobby and create any set of rules you like.
I can decide tomorrow than anybody must write backward, and you will have to if you don't want to be banned. Because, yes, it's not a democracy or an anarchist lobby.

As for toejams. Everybody dislikes him. The point of the matter was i was in game, playing with friends, and we were all talking and swearing but it was all in jest.

Then, tell me why two others people that are not your friends reported you to me ?

NeverRising5on even told me later that he wasnt offended and that he thought Toejams had overreacted So what gives him the right to ban me in the first place ? ANSWER ME THAT !

So, Toejams was in your "between friend game" ?

As for the police. Last time the took me down it required over 10 police officers to get me into the back of the cop van. Im dont give a **** about police, or any **** that trys to tell me what to do. PERIOD! You can all **** right off !

I'm not here to deal with your late teenage rebellion.
You are banned for a week, deal with it, and think twice next time you want to insult a moderator.

[quote="CelticSoul"]
I expect you shall ban me from forums next and thats ok by me /quote]

I've removed your message because it was again full of offensives attacks against people.
There is indeed a chance that I will bored of doing that at some point and decide to ban you. Again, it's up to you, not me.

[Ze_PilOt]

By the way, you are already lucky that this post still exists and not locked, and that you can argue against all of this.

Don't push it.