ACU upgrade

[keyser]

there is lot of complaining about tml sera ACU.

i think there will be a fix in the upcoming patch. (I may be mistaken) So that the tml doesn't have that much aoe. to get it at the same level as uef tacpac.
Well, i'm not against that idea, I just don't want to remove the possibility of having tacpack battle.

I didn't made this thread for the tacpack issue. (i guess there have been enough discution about it)

in echange, I would ask to lower the energy price of the 2nd gun. We (nearly) never see this upgrade beeing made for good reason.
1- T2 is really effective way to get life and good amount of regen. (better hp per mass for the T2 than the 1st nano; better hp and regen/mass for the T2 than for 2nd nano). + it allow more BP, good for defending snipe; and it give more hp from vet.
2- the 2nd gun cost lot of e 300 000 (low cost in mass, but you need tons of pgen to be able to get it up). Actually :
_________gun sera__2nd gun sera___2 gun together__lazer cybran___torpedo cybran
extra dps_100_______400__________900___________4000_________250
mass _____800______3500_________4300__________4000_________1500
energy____24000____300000_______324000________500000_______37500
_________30 range__2 aoe_________30 range + 2 aoe
e/mass___16.000____85.714_____75.349________125.000_______25.000
dps/mass_0.067_____0.114________0.209_________1.000_________0.167
dps/e____0.0042____0.0013_______0.0028________0.0080________0.0067

as you can see even the cybran lazer that isn't really utilize in battle is way more efficient.
I would suggest to lower the price in e, to around 200 000.
What do you guys think ? would it be OP ?

[Ithilis_Quo]

You have bad number of mass cost. Sera 2th gun cost 3500mass not 1500. Then the price of e isnt so extreme as it loks like. Laser cost more energy for mass calculation .

Here is another master energy expensive think that can be rather fix and that is aeon 2th shield that cost one million energy. for only 15 000more shield. It is totaly insine price that mean none never make it (it cost more energy as 4 nuke silo or T3 artilery) . Cybran cloak cost 25% less e and its much more siginficant upgrade as 15K shield bonus.

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Abotu tml, it is not only about aoe. It is about minimal range. sera tml behaviour is different as uef, it have biger arc, and on 5 range its not able hit 5 range place. in reality minimal range of sera tml is about 7-8 range not 5. Solution is make minimal range bigger imho about 15. Its crazy strong against acu. simly one small mistake when doesnt exist counter and its end of you game.

[keyser]

sry for that, i miss read the db unit.
Well that show even more how much costfull the upgrade is.

maybe reduce the price in mass and e ? to 2500 and 200 000.

yes second shield is useless. But aeon have a really good 1st shield.
Like uef nano is useless too. some buff for those upgrades should be made so we get to see those upgrade done. (like 75 regen for uef nano (it's 60 currently))

[Ithilis_Quo]

I dont know if you see sera 2th gun. but it is insine strong weapon. when it would cost less. then you would rape everything. You can make nano. double gun, and you would have 800dps (no 900 as you write) on 30 range and 2aoe with OC. you would have about 50 000 hp and stop most of exp and army only with acu. Maybe 500 mass less and equivalent of energy but that is imho less how it can cost.

Aeon have realy good first one, but it is not excuse for ussles and master expensive second one. 15K shild is nothing for that price. The correct number would be about 3500mass and 450 000energy (still more as uef buble shield that is better).

UEF nano. 75 is too much. that would mean enemy acu is taking you only 15dps. when you would take enemy acu 90dps. Thats not good move. problem with nano is that its on same spot as is T2 that is much better. That would make this differences less obvious would be give with nano more max HP, no more regeneration.

[keyser]

I dont know if you see sera 2th gun. but it is insine strong weapon. when it would cost less. then you would rape everything. You can make nano. double gun, and you would have 800dps (no 900 as you write) on 30 range and 2aoe with OC. you would have about 50 000 hp and stop most of exp and army only with acu. Maybe 500 mass less and equivalent of energy but that is imho less how it can cost.

yeah it's well know that second gun is OP. That's why we see it in every game.

Aeon have realy good first one, but it is not excuse for ussles and master expensive second one. 15K shild is nothing for that price. The correct number would be about 3500mass and 450 000energy (still more as uef buble shield that is better).

it would make 2nd shield for aeon better than the 2nd shield of UEF. Aeon have already a better 1st shield, that would be non-sense. Moreover bubble remove the possibility of dodging. If you need better shield for an arty war, it's way better to go for sACU shield than ACU shield.

UEF nano. 75 is too much. that would mean enemy acu is taking you only 15dps. when you would take enemy acu 90dps. Thats not good move. problem with nano is that its on same spot as is T2 that is much better. That would make this differences less obvious would be give with nano more max HP, no more regeneration.

it's *25. And then why would you do 1v1 ? spam T1 is there to put the dps. (btw 75 is the regen of sera nano, but sera nano have a bonus of health and cost more too).

[Ionic]

The expensive but powerful 2nd gun is the funniest smurf weapon of them all!

[Ithilis_Quo]

yeah it's well know that second gun is OP. That's why we see it in every game.

It isnt op but it is very strong, as cybran laser is very strong, and still we dont see it in every game and and would not be better have laser cheaper. or yes? Like yeah it can be cheaper, but we also must think about how much for stay comporable and prevent make it OP. And laser is not best omporable, because you cant have laser with surviability (or cloac, but that cost 9200mas) and you have 800 dmg OC and 2 aoe, that destroy everything except exp/ very hard pd creep.

would make 2nd shield for aeon better than the 2nd shield of UEF. Aeon have already a better 1st shield, that would be non-sense. Moreover bubble remove the possibility of dodging. If you need better shield for an arty war, it's way better to go for sACU shield than ACU shield.

why are you against me? read it again.

have shield upgrade that cost same energy price as 4nuke or t3 arty. and only for 15K hp ? that is non-sense. no make it half e priced. Main bonus of bubble shild is that it is buble and can cover big area. Sacus buble is better but you cant have sacu on some time. Also aeon sacus double shiled is better. but making double acu shield is ussles.

about nano. I was reading and testing when nano was reworked for actual number. As it is its not good. We can make it better. But problem was that when regeneration is too big then it is too strong, because you can rush it, and make undyable acu on early phase. sera nano is also very strong but price make it unrushable so fast as can be rush 1200m cost upgrade.
The new max hp would help a lot.

[keyser]

yeah it's well know that second gun is OP. That's why we see it in every game.

It isnt op but it is very strong, as cybran laser is very strong, and still we dont see it in every game and and would not be better have laser cheaper. or yes? Like yeah it can be cheaper, but we also must think about how much for stay comporable and prevent make it OP. And laser is not best omporable, because you cant have laser with surviability (or cloac, but that cost 9200mas) and you have 800 dmg OC and 2 aoe, that destroy everything except exp/ very hard pd creep.

give me replay where double gun is stronk pls.
2 aoe doesn't change anything for the OC.
I've already seen laze use in other situation than telemazer. And way more often than the double gun.

have shield upgrade that cost same energy price as 4nuke or t3 arty. and only for 15K hp ? that is non-sense. no make it half e priced. Main bonus of bubble shild is that it is buble and can cover big area. Sacus buble is better but you cant have sacu on some time. Also aeon sacus double shiled is better. but making double acu shield is ussles.

Even if i agree aeon 2nd shield need buff. You still want to buff it too much in comparaison of uef one.

The new max hp would help a lot.

what do you mean ?

[Ithilis_Quo]

Even if i agree aeon 2nd shield need buff. You still want to buff it too much in comparaison of uef one.

maybe true, so what about this price not as for 4 nuke for shield, but this number

4500m 1 000000 ->4400m and 950 000e ? would it be better?

You have true that its nearly un used. In aweasome fail videos is one, when we decide on canis rush sera double gun. all player was participate on upgrade, and when it was done, it go throught everything.

Ithilis_Quo wrote:The new max hp would help a lot.


what do you mean ?

add more hp on nano. not only regeneration bonus
+60hp/sec +2000/3000hp