T2 PD Creep

[theeggroll]

So lets say im in a game, and early game I havent paid the best attention to my scouting to notice that my opponent's acu is upgrading (Not uncommon to not watch your scout 100%, especially while you are getting things set up early game) and right as you finish setting up your t1 spam build you lose a solid portion of your map control due to t2 pd being set up in good spots and then enough get made fast enough that you cant counter with t1 push and/or gun. I do know how to raid, but overall the loss of map control can easily leave you at a disadvantage for the rest of the game. The map I'm specifically thinking of is Pyramid in middle spot where you lose 3-4 mexes as well as a SHIT ton of reclaim, even though he is static and investing mass into t2 pd, that amount of map control and reclaim he gets makes it very difficult to counter. Yes, you can get viper spam up, but you still lose enough of your map control that you're fucked either way, especially since you've just invested most of your resources into setting up t1 spam. No dumb answers please and thank you.

[ZeRen]

So lets say im in a game, and early game I havent paid the best attention to my scouting to notice that my opponent's acu is upgrading (Not uncommon to not watch your scout 100%, especially while you are getting things set up early game) and right as you finish setting up your t1 spam build you lose a solid portion of your map control due to t2 pd being set up in good spots and then enough get made fast enough that you cant counter with t1 push and/or gun. I do know how to raid, but overall the loss of map control can easily leave you at a disadvantage for the rest of the game. The map I'm specifically thinking of is Pyramid in middle spot where you lose 3-4 mexes as well as a SHIT ton of reclaim, even though he is static and investing mass into t2 pd, that amount of map control and reclaim he gets makes it very difficult to counter. Yes, you can get viper spam up, but you still lose enough of your map control that you're fucked either way, especially since you've just invested most of your resources into setting up t1 spam. No dumb answers please and thank you.

about Pyramid, that's exactly what happen to me in last game on Pyramid you just put line of T2 PD, get a beer and watch how PDs kill everything, you can build as many Vipers as you want, but especially UEF com can spam T2 shield so fast, that you need whole army of vipers and if you are not on T2 land yet you can call gg

fire base is ok, but PD creep just ruin fan of game

sometime it seem that UEF players know only one strategi PD creep

[jmd3au1]

If the situation is really bad, I would build one t2 pd deep in my territory. This t2 pd will draw the "line", and wont allow your opponent to build anything in its range. After that, an MML spam. With cybrans, the mobile stealth Deciever work wonders in t2 pd wars.

Also, with some maps, you really need to anticipate certain strategies. T2 PD spam on pyramid is very common and you need to be ready for it. Or another example is Canis against Blodir, where I have to make gazillion TMDs all around the map (even for my allies, if they dont expect it), because he will always be there with his TML commander pwning everyone from river... .

[Col_Walter_Kurtz]

I don't play Pyramids, but on land spam maps the same basic principle applies. You either go gun or T2 asap. Use gun and OC to push enemy ACU back if he went T2. It's not like a choke point map where the automatic counter to T2 pd is MML.

[ZLO_RD]

I have seen this fast t2 play on pyramids, Lainelas just walks in mid after factory while engies make enought power for upgraide, also couple engies assist com to make upgraide faster, then you can make t1 fac, t2 and t1 pds in mid...
I tryed to do same but also with arty spam, i basicly walked into t2 pd range with com to tank damage while arty tryed to kill t2 pd, (i had t2 too but no mass for pd)
i screwed up my early eco so it didn't work well enought, t2 pds were killed but my acu was damaged and most arty died too, he tryed to spam t1 pd but i just captured them... Meanwhile lainelas got t2 mexes and i just went for a draw cause i didn't really had eco

Imo it is just a very strong opening on this map...

[Vee]

Pyramid is the ultimate PD creep map (along with Syrtis 5v5). You can't counter it without your own T2 PDs. At best you can make 1-2 PDs to stop his creep from going forward, and then instead of doing a full on creep, make MMLs.

[theeggroll]

Pyramid is the ultimate PD creep map (along with Syrtis 5v5). You can't counter it without your own T2 PDs. At best you can make 1-2 PDs to stop his creep from going forward, and then instead of doing a full on creep, make MMLs.

Thats what i did but the map control loss is pretty brutal since you end up with like 5 mexes that are safe to upgrade while your opponent has 8 or 9. Sadly there isnt much of a good spot to back up to on pyramid.

But Ive noticed strategies like this often work well against myself, any other good ideas for what to do?

[speed2]

you need to start countering it before he gets PDs, scout it, you see he's coming for PDs, so you can get your first MML before he builds first PD. If you start doing something when PDs are shooting at you, thats usually too late.

[theeggroll]

you need to start countering it before he gets PDs, scout it, you see he's coming for PDs, so you can get your first MML before he builds first PD. If you start doing something when PDs are shooting at you, thats usually too late.

In the event of a t2 acu rush and you dont have a t2 land hq the pd is going to be built long before you even have t2 hq.

[speed2]

if hes rushing T2 and you arent doing anything... what excatly do you expect? fries with ketchup?