Destroyers

[ladderff]

Am I missing something? Here's the unit comparison https://spooky.github.io/unitdb/#/UES0201,UAS0201,XES0102 for Aeon and UEF destroyers. The Aeon boat severely outclasses the UEF one in every category (except antiair where the Valiant has a pea shooter and Aeon has nothing) and is the same exact price. The direct fire weapon does more than twice as much dps with 33% more range. It outranges the Cooper by even more and a bulwark is only worth the hp of one additional destroyer.... What is UEF supposed to do against Aeon in the water here? I think people are going to say "torp bombers" but even if there is literally nothing shooting back at them, they take forever to kill anything. Thoughts?

[speed2]

It has 2 cannons, but yes aeon destroyer has better stats, but it can easily miss a shot, wasting all that damage

Another thing to consider is that T2 UEF navy comes with shields that are really good.

[ZLO_RD]

UEF frigate can help agains aeon destroyer so he miss more cause of jamming, tho i still think Aeon navy is superior. but uef can beat them in low number of t2 ship fight, if you dodge all those aeon destroyer shots.

[PhilipJFry]

If you have issues with uef t2 navy i recommend heavy t1 frig spam followed by Battlecruiser rush.

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assuming the map is big enough for t3 navy to be a thing.

[codepants]

T2 UEF navy comes with shields that are really good.

If I'm correct he's saying that mass-for-mass they should have some sort of equivalence. Making a shield makes the UEF combo cost more.

If you have issues with uef t2 navy i recommend heavy t1 frig spam followed by Battlecruiser rush.

Again... he's not saying he has issues with UEF navy... just that two units that cost the same amount of mass should have rough equivalence on the battlefield.

I haven't compared the stats but assuming he's correct, they do cost the same and Aeon destroyer has better stats -- then yes, this seems like something is wrong. Unless we are saying that slow projectile speed drops the effective cost of the Aeon destroyer.

[PhilipJFry]

If you look at it stat wise then yes the aeon destroyer is superior to every other destroyer in terms of direct fire damage, torp damage, torp defense and it also has depth charges. The only downsides of this unit are the lack of aa and the muzzle velocity in combination with the rate of fire.

So you either have air control and can spam enough torp bombers to kill them + the aeon cruiser with mobile t2 shields.

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Good luck with that.

Or you outmicro the aeon destro.

I didn't make my statement because i think he's bad or anything. Its just that t3 navy rush is the easiest/best solution for uef navy.

[JoonasTo]

It has 2 cannons, but yes aeon destroyer has better stats, but it can easily miss a shot, wasting all that damage

Another thing to consider is that T2 UEF navy comes with shields that are really good.

It has two, twin-barreled cannons actually, the database is again wrong here, like with almost all multi-turret/barrel units. The real DPS for the Valiant is 275. Compare that to 240 for the Salem, 212 for the Exodus and I'd say they're doing just fine(I think Uashavoh has 250 but not sure.)

So far as surface damage goes, UEF destroyer has the most. It also has excellent health, good turret placement and good muzzle velocity in combination with a decent firecycle(that actually makes it harder to dodge than Salem in practice because it's harder to time) making it a very good destroyer if you can get it into range.

As noted, the relatively low torpedo damage means that it has issues beating anything else than T1 submarines, forcing the UEF player into building coopers to counter T2 submarines/seraphim destroyers. But only if the enemy masses them. It takes a long time for a T2 submarines or submerged seraphim destroyers to actually kill the UEF destroyers. The situation is quite similar to Frigates vs T1 Submarines.